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2016 Postmortem

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Exilednight

(9,359 posts)
Wed Nov 30, 2016, 08:28 PM Nov 2016

Progressivism vs Social Liberalism vs Neo-Liberalism [View all]

Many people run around this boatd, myself included, claiming to be this, that or the other - often interchangeably.

Before picking a self identifier, it might be beat to know what each stands for. These terms have actual definitions and separate philosophies.

Education is the best example I can come up with to explain each.

We all agree that every dollar spent on education (this statistic itself might be outdated) returns $1.38 to the economy. All three philosophies agree on those numbers. Where they disagree is where the investing dollar comes from.

Liberals believe that that dollar should come from government through tax revenue.

Progressives believe that college costs should be controlled in order to make it affordable to be payed by students.

Neo-Liberals believe that that dollar should come from corporations through various means including putting fast food franchises in schools, exclusive deals including corporate naming rights, etc ...

People may hold varying views depending on the given issue, meaning you may have a progress view on education and a liberal view on health care. But people should be aware as to what the meaning of the words they choose to use to identify themselves.

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I've never read a comprehensive analysis of "neo-liberalism" JHan Nov 2016 #1
Neo-Liberalism is still relatively young and still being defined. Exilednight Nov 2016 #2
I don't get why the gay marriage example is particularly bad.. JHan Nov 2016 #4
There's an argument to be made that the reason is important. Exilednight Nov 2016 #6
I've never interpreted it that way though.. JHan Nov 2016 #7
"Free Markets and Privatization", even the IMF acknowledges that's what neoliberalism means. jake335544 Dec 2016 #17
I'm still reading up on some of the links I was given but ... JHan Dec 2016 #20
Live-saving drugs as commodities or public good? Which is neoliberal? Take a guess. jake335544 Dec 2016 #21
great links, I'll add em to my reading list.. JHan Dec 2016 #22
If you're not pushing for the socialization of essential goods and services, you're going to be lost jake335544 Dec 2016 #23
Yes, I occasionally read Reason.org and FFE as a challenge.. JHan Dec 2016 #24
Your argument was their argument, reading them wasn't "challenging yourself" jake335544 Dec 2016 #26
Sigh: JHan Dec 2016 #28
-sigh- Stop pretending like you are trying to make up your mind. jake335544 Dec 2016 #30
*Ahem* JHan Dec 2016 #32
On neoliberalism: Garrett78 Dec 2016 #8
Another good boom is the Moral Limits of Markets by Michael Sandel. Exilednight Dec 2016 #12
the liberal in neo-liberal is NOT what the US (and only the US) calls liberal Grey Lemercier Dec 2016 #11
We're dealing with US politics. Exilednight Dec 2016 #13
I already addressed that, but the subject was neo-liberalism Grey Lemercier Dec 2016 #14
US Neo-Liberalism does. Exilednight Dec 2016 #16
you are talking now about the 3rd way US/UK fusion of Grey Lemercier Dec 2016 #18
Neoliberalism is Reagan, Thatcher, Milton Friedman, Chicago School economics. yallerdawg Dec 2016 #29
Neo-liberals have nothing to do with the way "liberal" is used in the US gollygee Dec 2016 #15
exactly Grey Lemercier Dec 2016 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author Freelancer Nov 2016 #3
exactly. nt lumberjack_jeff Dec 2016 #27
Progressive ideology would hold true for.. NCTraveler Nov 2016 #5
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I understand this could be a gray issue and on certain iasues Exilednight Dec 2016 #10
What if you think tax money should pay for school AND that costs should be controlled? or is that JCanete Dec 2016 #25
Easy enough. Exilednight Dec 2016 #33
I'm not sure you have it straight HassleCat Dec 2016 #31
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