2016 Postmortem

Ken Burch

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42. NO ONE is saying we should throw out the base, OR stop fighting institutional bigotry

Wed Nov 30, 2016, 04:31 PM

Nov 2016

The actual argument is that we need to deal with economic justice issues more strongly. There is no conflict between addressing those issues and continuing to oppose social oppression.

The people behind the claim that there's a call to throw out the base are the ones whose agenda is mainly to make sure that we don't adopt any policies that might offend our corporate donors...never mind that corporate money did us no good at all this year.

They are using the false claim that some of us want to throw people of color, women, or LGBTQ people "under the bus" to try to block any change in tactics or emphasis in this party.

The truth is that we are ALL committed to keeping(and in many cases strengthening) the anti-oppression agenda. It's just that some of us want to address the economic uncertainties that give demagogues like Trump a way to seduce voters that we should be able to get.

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Now's the time for experience with House procedures, not another protest tantrum. nt BobbyDrake Nov 2016 #1

This. nt Bobbie Jo Nov 2016 #31

I hope they pick someone who can lead the caucus to achieve greater membership. David__77 Nov 2016 #2

Pelosi is pretty bad, but if you're going to replace her, at least find someone who isn't worse. jfern Nov 2016 #3

Fair enough. I have no dog in this hunt, and don't know much about Ryan. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #4

He was very anti choice until just a few years ago dsc Nov 2016 #6

Thanks for the information. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #7

Tim Ryan opposes Clinton joining the recount. GoCubsGo Nov 2016 #5

Again, I have no personal favorite in this contest. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #8

Just pointing it out to those who are unaware of it. GoCubsGo Nov 2016 #10

Thanks for that. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #12

Party needs to break with "coastal elites" mentality geek tragedy Nov 2016 #9

was feingold a coastal elite ? how about trump ? JI7 Nov 2016 #11

Surprised you are jumping aboard the "Let's Purge Liberals" bandwagon. emulatorloo Nov 2016 #13

Not purging liberals, but those whose districts geek tragedy Nov 2016 #17

Don't throw the baby out with the bath water. emulatorloo Nov 2016 #18

If we had the majority or even if the margin in the house were close geek tragedy Nov 2016 #19

I completely agree. The fact is the Democratic Party needs a major rebuild - a new strategy, a new Midwestern Democrat Nov 2016 #21

Can you clarify this statement you made above? emulatorloo Nov 2016 #30

Those who have lost out due to changes in the economy geek tragedy Nov 2016 #33

Voters have a voice on the direction of the congress on election day. emulatorloo Nov 2016 #40

not directly, but when our coalition is inadequate to win congressional majorities geek tragedy Nov 2016 #41

The 'hurt' leader would be in red states who have to worry about re-election and given a choice Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #20

Admittedly the vast majority of youngest congresspeople are Republicans. joshcryer Nov 2016 #24

I'm getting lots of mixed messages from DU these days emulatorloo Nov 2016 #28

The general consensus is that what we're doing is not working, and needs to change. geek tragedy Nov 2016 #34

I'm lost. joshcryer Nov 2016 #37

NO ONE is saying we should throw out the base, OR stop fighting institutional bigotry Ken Burch Nov 2016 #42

It is a bad idea to put Tim Ryan Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #14

Thanks for the information. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #16

FWIW Americans for Democratic Action (liberal group) gave Pelosi a 95% "liberal quotient" ranking emulatorloo Nov 2016 #15

That the "most liberal" Dem site on the net... joshcryer Nov 2016 #23

Tim Ryan is a conservadem / blue dog joshcryer Nov 2016 #22

I think Pelosi has done well, LP2K12 Nov 2016 #25

you probably should identify it as Tim Ryan, so no one confuses it with you know who still_one Nov 2016 #26

I wondered about that. Have now changed it. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #35

I was kind of kidding around Ken, but hopefully there is no here who would even still_one Nov 2016 #36

And I'm fairly sure you aren't allowed to lead the majority and the minority at the same time. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #38

LOL, yes it would be scary still_one Nov 2016 #39

Not Pelosi Renew Deal Nov 2016 #27

I think that change might be good Proud Liberal Dem Nov 2016 #29

I heard Tim Ryan on Fox News Sunday saying that the Democrats BlueProgressive Nov 2016 #32

Since Pelosi has now been re-elected leader, I am self-deleting this poll. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #43