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Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
34. Ignorance, willful ignorance, bigotry and religion.
Wed Nov 30, 2016, 03:47 PM
Nov 2016
Huge percentages of Americans believe some of the most ridiculous things imaginable. Some are truly ignorant (it doesn't help that we have a dreadful ratings-focused media that promotes false equivalencies), while others simply believe what they want to believe. And studies have made it clear that "Facts Backfire."

And let's not kid ourselves, racism, sexism, misogyny, xenophobia and heterosexism takes precedence for a lot of folks. There's an immense amount of hatred for persons of color, women, LGBTQ, non-Christians and the poor. Consider how the audience responded to Megyn Kelly reading some of Trump's most misogynistic quotes. Or how the audience reacted when Ron Paul was asked in a debate if people without health insurance should just die.

A large percentage of the electorate simply can't be reached by the Democratic Party. I'm not sure dumbing down the message is going to win over the likes of those who voted for Trump. For which there was no excuse.

But voter suppression can be addressed. And Democrats can do more to give voice to those who are struggling--find folks who can speak at rallies instead of just speaking for them. And, yes, Dems can do more outreach to the rural areas of purple states like Obama did...but that's not the same as buying into the ridiculous "working class whites" narrative promoted by some at DU.

40% of eligible voters don't vote in presidential elections and 60% don't vote in mid-term elections. Democrats finding a way to engage even a fraction of the disengaged would make a big difference.

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The great H.L. Mencken nailed it almost 100 years ago COLGATE4 Nov 2016 #1
Along those lines, this gem from Mark Twain: DanTex Nov 2016 #2
The more things change... COLGATE4 Nov 2016 #4
It is a absolute fatal flaw for liberals Cosmocat Nov 2016 #3
If getting the shit kicked out of us for three elections running COLGATE4 Nov 2016 #6
Yeah, I suspect we will continue to bring cupcakes Cosmocat Nov 2016 #18
I'm seriously beginning to think we won't make progress. I grew up with democrats that kicked RKP5637 Nov 2016 #27
And there's a valid question of whether we actually want to break that tether to reality el_bryanto Nov 2016 #10
That's the question. DanTex Nov 2016 #14
Bernie Sanders uses the exact opposite philosophy. He strives to inform the voters so they will make think Nov 2016 #15
Bernie's approach is clearly the best, but Cosmocat Nov 2016 #19
Yet most people radical noodle Nov 2016 #28
Yes. Bernie is just one voice in the Democratic party. Other Democrats would need to be as vocal think Nov 2016 #29
The media will largely ignore it radical noodle Nov 2016 #30
If we're so smart pscot Nov 2016 #5
Because we're not so smart. The GOP understands that the electorate is full of DanTex Nov 2016 #8
Aretha explains it pscot Nov 2016 #13
THIS Cosmocat Nov 2016 #20
depressingly true :( JHan Nov 2016 #7
Your last sentence just about wraps up the Democratic Partys message problem. democrank Nov 2016 #9
What was the success to President Obama's campaign? He did pretty good in his elections.../nt think Nov 2016 #11
He was a much more talented and charismatic speaker. DanTex Nov 2016 #12
Two things Cosmocat Nov 2016 #22
And let's not forget that it's rare for the same party to hold the... Garrett78 Nov 2016 #33
Yep Cosmocat Nov 2016 #35
This election was a referendum on the state of the American people. The American people are in Trust Buster Nov 2016 #16
DISTRACTED Cosmocat Nov 2016 #24
That seems a bit simplistic to me radical noodle Nov 2016 #31
Very true treestar Nov 2016 #17
Thanks to President Obama and his admin ucrdem Nov 2016 #21
Maybe when people start dying again because they don't have affordable health care, Historic NY Nov 2016 #23
sadly our last hope BUT Cosmocat Nov 2016 #25
Yep, been saying that for years, Americans are stupid. US United Stupidity! RKP5637 Nov 2016 #26
It goes against our instincts, but you are correct-- we are too honest and wonky Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #32
Ignorance, willful ignorance, bigotry and religion. Garrett78 Nov 2016 #34
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