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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: There's a serious case that Dems need to respect voters less, not more. [View all]Garrett78
(10,721 posts)34. Ignorance, willful ignorance, bigotry and religion.
Huge percentages of Americans believe some of the most ridiculous things imaginable. Some are truly ignorant (it doesn't help that we have a dreadful ratings-focused media that promotes false equivalencies), while others simply believe what they want to believe. And studies have made it clear that "Facts Backfire."
And let's not kid ourselves, racism, sexism, misogyny, xenophobia and heterosexism takes precedence for a lot of folks. There's an immense amount of hatred for persons of color, women, LGBTQ, non-Christians and the poor. Consider how the audience responded to Megyn Kelly reading some of Trump's most misogynistic quotes. Or how the audience reacted when Ron Paul was asked in a debate if people without health insurance should just die.
A large percentage of the electorate simply can't be reached by the Democratic Party. I'm not sure dumbing down the message is going to win over the likes of those who voted for Trump. For which there was no excuse.
But voter suppression can be addressed. And Democrats can do more to give voice to those who are struggling--find folks who can speak at rallies instead of just speaking for them. And, yes, Dems can do more outreach to the rural areas of purple states like Obama did...but that's not the same as buying into the ridiculous "working class whites" narrative promoted by some at DU.
40% of eligible voters don't vote in presidential elections and 60% don't vote in mid-term elections. Democrats finding a way to engage even a fraction of the disengaged would make a big difference.
And let's not kid ourselves, racism, sexism, misogyny, xenophobia and heterosexism takes precedence for a lot of folks. There's an immense amount of hatred for persons of color, women, LGBTQ, non-Christians and the poor. Consider how the audience responded to Megyn Kelly reading some of Trump's most misogynistic quotes. Or how the audience reacted when Ron Paul was asked in a debate if people without health insurance should just die.
A large percentage of the electorate simply can't be reached by the Democratic Party. I'm not sure dumbing down the message is going to win over the likes of those who voted for Trump. For which there was no excuse.
But voter suppression can be addressed. And Democrats can do more to give voice to those who are struggling--find folks who can speak at rallies instead of just speaking for them. And, yes, Dems can do more outreach to the rural areas of purple states like Obama did...but that's not the same as buying into the ridiculous "working class whites" narrative promoted by some at DU.
40% of eligible voters don't vote in presidential elections and 60% don't vote in mid-term elections. Democrats finding a way to engage even a fraction of the disengaged would make a big difference.
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There's a serious case that Dems need to respect voters less, not more. [View all]
DanTex
Nov 2016
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I'm seriously beginning to think we won't make progress. I grew up with democrats that kicked
RKP5637
Nov 2016
#27
And there's a valid question of whether we actually want to break that tether to reality
el_bryanto
Nov 2016
#10
Bernie Sanders uses the exact opposite philosophy. He strives to inform the voters so they will make
think
Nov 2016
#15
Yes. Bernie is just one voice in the Democratic party. Other Democrats would need to be as vocal
think
Nov 2016
#29
What was the success to President Obama's campaign? He did pretty good in his elections.../nt
think
Nov 2016
#11
This election was a referendum on the state of the American people. The American people are in
Trust Buster
Nov 2016
#16
Maybe when people start dying again because they don't have affordable health care,
Historic NY
Nov 2016
#23
It goes against our instincts, but you are correct-- we are too honest and wonky
Fast Walker 52
Nov 2016
#32