2016 Postmortem

joshcryer

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37. I'm lost.

Wed Nov 30, 2016, 02:22 PM

Nov 2016

I feel like we've entered the twilight zone.

Throw out the core of the base, minorities, immigrants, women, etc, and appeal to white "working class" males.

We've been countering this logic for years. But somehow now we have to embrace it.

The messed up part is that they've been pushing this for years, and I've always seen the appeal, I just dismissed it. It's also counter intuitive because I have supported Democrats like John Bel Edwards (peo-life guy in the most pro-life state, common sense). And support, in respect, Heidi Heitkamp, a pro fracking / oil Dem, who many would vilify as not a Democrat because she's in ND and they like oil there.

It's so damn confusing. My belief is that we should support Democrats that represent their states. But we are lost, supporting whoever, for whatever reason. No logic to it whatsoever.

Bah on Tulsi Gabbard, though she will probably run in 2024, and win. (I don't see her challenging Trump in 2020.)

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] Ken Burch Nov 2016 OP

Now's the time for experience with House procedures, not another protest tantrum. nt BobbyDrake Nov 2016 #1

This. nt Bobbie Jo Nov 2016 #31

I hope they pick someone who can lead the caucus to achieve greater membership. David__77 Nov 2016 #2

Pelosi is pretty bad, but if you're going to replace her, at least find someone who isn't worse. jfern Nov 2016 #3

Fair enough. I have no dog in this hunt, and don't know much about Ryan. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #4

He was very anti choice until just a few years ago dsc Nov 2016 #6

Thanks for the information. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #7

Tim Ryan opposes Clinton joining the recount. GoCubsGo Nov 2016 #5

Again, I have no personal favorite in this contest. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #8

Just pointing it out to those who are unaware of it. GoCubsGo Nov 2016 #10

Thanks for that. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #12

Party needs to break with "coastal elites" mentality geek tragedy Nov 2016 #9

was feingold a coastal elite ? how about trump ? JI7 Nov 2016 #11

Surprised you are jumping aboard the "Let's Purge Liberals" bandwagon. emulatorloo Nov 2016 #13

Not purging liberals, but those whose districts geek tragedy Nov 2016 #17

Don't throw the baby out with the bath water. emulatorloo Nov 2016 #18

If we had the majority or even if the margin in the house were close geek tragedy Nov 2016 #19

I completely agree. The fact is the Democratic Party needs a major rebuild - a new strategy, a new Midwestern Democrat Nov 2016 #21

Can you clarify this statement you made above? emulatorloo Nov 2016 #30

Those who have lost out due to changes in the economy geek tragedy Nov 2016 #33

Voters have a voice on the direction of the congress on election day. emulatorloo Nov 2016 #40

not directly, but when our coalition is inadequate to win congressional majorities geek tragedy Nov 2016 #41

The 'hurt' leader would be in red states who have to worry about re-election and given a choice Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #20

Admittedly the vast majority of youngest congresspeople are Republicans. joshcryer Nov 2016 #24

I'm getting lots of mixed messages from DU these days emulatorloo Nov 2016 #28

The general consensus is that what we're doing is not working, and needs to change. geek tragedy Nov 2016 #34

I'm lost. joshcryer Nov 2016 #37

NO ONE is saying we should throw out the base, OR stop fighting institutional bigotry Ken Burch Nov 2016 #42

It is a bad idea to put Tim Ryan Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #14

Thanks for the information. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #16

FWIW Americans for Democratic Action (liberal group) gave Pelosi a 95% "liberal quotient" ranking emulatorloo Nov 2016 #15

That the "most liberal" Dem site on the net... joshcryer Nov 2016 #23

Tim Ryan is a conservadem / blue dog joshcryer Nov 2016 #22

I think Pelosi has done well, LP2K12 Nov 2016 #25

you probably should identify it as Tim Ryan, so no one confuses it with you know who still_one Nov 2016 #26

I wondered about that. Have now changed it. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #35

I was kind of kidding around Ken, but hopefully there is no here who would even still_one Nov 2016 #36

And I'm fairly sure you aren't allowed to lead the majority and the minority at the same time. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #38

LOL, yes it would be scary still_one Nov 2016 #39

Not Pelosi Renew Deal Nov 2016 #27

I think that change might be good Proud Liberal Dem Nov 2016 #29

I heard Tim Ryan on Fox News Sunday saying that the Democrats BlueProgressive Nov 2016 #32

Since Pelosi has now been re-elected leader, I am self-deleting this poll. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #43