2016 Postmortem

Dark n Stormy Knight

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53. Not sure why you're talking of "gnashing teeth with fiery bromides and exaggerated promises"

Tue Nov 29, 2016, 07:15 PM

Nov 2016

when responding to me. I'm thinking more along the lines of making sure facts get out there.

Sure, lots of Trump voters were uneducated whites, loads were racist, misogynist, etc. But, the numbers were close enough that if we'd got through to those who aren't voting based on a high degree of bigotry but simply misinformation they believed to be true, we could have won.

The RW has a huge, well-funded, sophisticated propaganda machine that has moved many from the middle of the road to the Right hand ditch. The Dems don't put in nearly the intense and sustained effort to make sure the lies are not the only message getting through.

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Possibly the most important thing: Dems need to get better at the propaganda wars. [View all] DanTex Nov 2016 OP

Democrats need to find a handful of issues and pound on it! hrmjustin Nov 2016 #1

We are 10 years behind on this... FarPoint Nov 2016 #2

Yes. It's the media. hadEnuf Nov 2016 #30

Best Comment of All McKim Nov 2016 #32

I agree-- and welcome to DU! Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #42

That's what make America so vulnerable to a third-rate annabanana Nov 2016 #3

It's not just America. It's a general human problem. DanTex Nov 2016 #5

This is the absolute truth! It is the Propaganda Campaign that has had control over us since The Wielding Truth Nov 2016 #4

Republicans own the media (tv and radio) SHRED Nov 2016 #6

Definition of propaganda frazzled Nov 2016 #7

That's pretty much what I'm saying, yes. DanTex Nov 2016 #12

YES, that definition, minus the "biased and misleading nature" part. yodermon Nov 2016 #18

So, yell the truth louder frazzled Nov 2016 #21

Yeah,"... gone down in flames." Rather like the Democratic Party did. Ligyron Nov 2016 #34

Please note that the definition says "especially," not "exclusively," Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2016 #37

And we do a very good job of the positive type of purposeful persuasion frazzled Nov 2016 #43

Not sure why you're talking of "gnashing teeth with fiery bromides and exaggerated promises" Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2016 #53

They've ignored Professor Lakoff's advice for years. elleng Nov 2016 #8

Yup. And I'm starting to think that Obama's political genius in a way had the unfortunate DanTex Nov 2016 #13

Yes, something like that. elleng Nov 2016 #17

Facts and figures... JSup Nov 2016 #9

Absolutely, although that isn't a popular opinion on here. Most think "being right" is enough... MadDAsHell Nov 2016 #10

Yes, politics is about perception not reality. radius777 Nov 2016 #11

Bill also had a real talent for simplifying difficult concepts Nevernose Nov 2016 #49

Yes. Being reasonable, knowledgeable and competent treestar Nov 2016 #14

I agree, we need to get better at "the game"... Raster Nov 2016 #15

Thought provoking RonniePudding Nov 2016 #16

I have a very high opinion of Obama as well. And I agree about the white patriarchy. DanTex Nov 2016 #19

The thing is, Obama actually got quite a bit done RonniePudding Nov 2016 #24

Yes, he did. His first two years were amazing. And even after, in the face of DanTex Nov 2016 #25

You say that once, and pundits will say "oh, no, that's out of line." yodermon Nov 2016 #20

Well, the biggest thing we need is a media platform. kydo Nov 2016 #22

100% correct. nt Maven Nov 2016 #23

I agree. Rational arguments do not win elections. They don't sell products. KittyWampus Nov 2016 #26

Yup. Rationality plays an alarmingly tiny role in human behavior. DanTex Nov 2016 #29

Add microtargeting to this. sfwriter Nov 2016 #27

Republican propaganda is all lies and smears Cary Nov 2016 #28

We need to jam their signal spirald Nov 2016 #31

We have to stand on principles instead of triangulation compromises bucolic_frolic Nov 2016 #33

Won't work. DEMS CANNOT BE TOLD. Reps can. ffr Nov 2016 #35

I agree we need drastic improvemnt in framing, focused messaging and MEMES. Not propaganda. n/t Turn CO Blue Nov 2016 #36

For it to work you have to have leaders and spokespeople that the Exilednight Nov 2016 #38

Actually the David Brock Correct The Record propaganda turned many off jfern Nov 2016 #39

Actual voters don't care about David Brock. DanTex Nov 2016 #40

Enjoy losing then jfern Nov 2016 #41

There were no drunken hooligams throwing chairs Nevernose Nov 2016 #50

No one knows about David Brock, but his work on Anita Hill still resonates LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #48

Establishment isn't about how long you've been in DC. Hillary was obviously more establishment. jfern Nov 2016 #51

I just think most people are self-centered. Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2016 #44

I guess yelling louder does work frazzled Nov 2016 #45

Some things we're probably not willing to do... JSup Nov 2016 #46

Yep. Some will call 'em Trump Chumps, some will call them "alt right" some say neo-fascist LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #47

Absolutely this. alarimer Nov 2016 #52