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joshisaurous

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11. Buddhists from real communities recognize the difference
Mon Jun 22, 2015, 03:33 AM
Jun 2015

between people seeking attention and genuine practitioners.

Also, you're not the sangha referred to by the Bodhisattva vows, nor am I.

The Sangha refers to actual Buddhist monastics (not fake monks panhandling in NYC) in the sense that they are a symbolic representation.

The Sangha proper refers to those beings that have realized "stream entry" and higher attainments, of which there are two divisions, to be arhant and pratyeka buddha and to be samyaksam buddha.

We, and Tsem, and the author being discussed are not sangha by conventional, as opposed to transcendental, Buddhist definition.

Like I said before, con-artists twist the definitions to defend themselves from their victims. It's just another form of cult abuse and it is a spiritual poison often spread by well meaning, but confused, people.

Further, the actual Bodhisattva vows have elaborative injunctions, specifically that monastics that have broken principle vows, charlatans, etc. are not protected by rules that would prevent you from criticizing or disrobing. After all, there is a considerable section of the vinaya that deals with disrobing, so clearly it is not splitting the sangha to do even that when the circumstances and rules require it.


"When teachers break the precepts,
behaving in ways that are clearly damaging to themselves and others,
students must face the situation,
even though this can be challenging, criticize openly, that's the only way."
His Holiness the Dalai Lama

Vlyons, do you understand that this idea that you cannot evaluate and discuss bad behavior was set in your head by con-artists and not the Buddha?

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