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Jim__

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27. I think you're right. Someone did take a look at history to study religion's role in war.
Tue Nov 20, 2018, 07:58 PM
Nov 2018

Of course, they only looked at 73 major wars over the last 3,500 years, so I'm not sure how that compares to the beginning of written records. The HuffPost reported on this - including a link to the study - in 2011.

An excerpt:

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To my knowledge there has only been one attempt to actually quantify religion’s role in war-making throughout human history. As part of a special they were airing on the subject, the BBC asked Dr. Greg Austin, a research Fellow in the Department of Peace Studies, University of Bradford, to investigate religion’s role in the history of war. Austin, with the help of colleagues Todd Kranock and Thom Oommen, conducted the War Audit, where they evaluated all the major conflicts over the past 3,500 years — 73 wars in all. The wars were rated on a 0-5 scale for religious motivation, with 5 indicating the highest religious motivation. So for example, The First and Second Punic Wars (264-241 and 218-201 BC respectively) rated a 0, while the Crusades (1097-1291) rated a 5. While conceding that subjectivity always plays some role in these sorts of assessments, Austin and colleagues, nevertheless, maintained that the general trend they observed was “beyond debate” (p. 12).

Brace yourselves, those for whom religion equals war. The majority of all wars (44/73 or 60 percent) had no religious motivation whatsoever — a zero rating. Only three wars — the Arab conquests of 632-732, the much ballyhooed Crusades, and the Reformation Wars of the 16th and 17th centuries - earned a 5, and were thus considered to be truly religious wars. Only seven wars earned a rating of 3 or more — less than 10 percent. Thus, the vast majority of all wars involved either no religious motivation or only a modest one. The authors concluded by noting that “there have been few genuinely religious wars in the last 100 years. The Israel/Arab wars were wars of nationalism and liberation of territory” (p. 16).

The authors of the War Audit claim that their work was not intended as “a piece of original academic analysis” (p. 1), but instead as something that would “stimulate discussion rather than provide the final word on the role of religion in violent conflict over time” (p. 15).

As a committed evolutionist, my pet theory is that ultimately most (maybe all) wars are about men fighting over resources critical to reproductive success (status, power, land, money, women, etc.). War requires large-scale coordination and motivation, and here is where religion can play a role — it is a powerful unifying and motivating force. But in the absence of religion, I think it is hopelessly naïve to believe that we’ll all just give up our ambitions, drop our rocks and hug. We’ll find some other reason to kill each other, if we’re convinced that there is gain to be had by doing so.

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Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot exboyfil Nov 2018 #1
Yes, and so? MineralMan Nov 2018 #2
Cancer and heart disease both kill people. Pope George Ringo II Nov 2018 #3
Whataboutism, pure and simple. MineralMan Nov 2018 #4
I'm still hoping for a cure for religion. Pope George Ringo II Nov 2018 #5
Science has been working on that, too. MineralMan Nov 2018 #6
So, religion is no worse than totalitarian regimes? trotsky Nov 2018 #7
And your opinion is simply that. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #8
Did I pretend otherwise? MineralMan Nov 2018 #9
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What I contributed is a refutation of your "thesis". guillaumeb Nov 2018 #12
In your own mind, you are convinced. MineralMan Nov 2018 #13
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My answer was posted. MineralMan Nov 2018 #22
And I respect that answer. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #23
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I think you're right. Someone did take a look at history to study religion's role in war. Jim__ Nov 2018 #27
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