Gun Control & RKBA

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38. You obviously believe the gun industry bears no civil liablity for the sale of lethal products that

Tue Mar 23, 2021, 09:48 PM

Mar 2021

cause the deaths of 30,000+ Americans every year, just because they are not breaking the law. I strongly disagree.

Among other things, the First Amendment specifically prohibits Congress from abridging "the right of the people...to petition the Government for a redress of grievances". The US Constitution grants citizens the right to seek redress (sue) using the courts, and the PLCAA completely takes away that right.

If the gun industry believes they are not guilty of negligence, then they have nothing to fear from the public's right to sue them. I say let the courts decide.

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Would a "Repeal the 2nd Amendment" movement... [View all] AnrothElf Mar 2021 OP

Hurt. mzmolly Mar 2021 #1

Wouldn't that require SCOTUS weighing in? AnrothElf Mar 2021 #9

Help illegal smile Mar 2021 #2

I agree mainstream would be better AnrothElf Mar 2021 #10

Uh-huh. Straw Man Mar 2021 #84

Hurt or help what? WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2021 #3

To enact sane, reasonable restrictions AnrothElf Mar 2021 #11

No way 2/3 of the states vote for it. CanonRay Mar 2021 #4

It would be futile - and harmful. Nt hack89 Mar 2021 #5

How would it be harmful? AnrothElf Mar 2021 #12

It would endanger Democratic control of the Senate hack89 Mar 2021 #13

Why not ban all guns, though? AnrothElf Mar 2021 #16

Because I enjoy my guns for one thing. hack89 Mar 2021 #17

You're right, they won't AnrothElf Mar 2021 #20

Please show me what countries require all guns to be stored in armories. hack89 Mar 2021 #22

You're right, it's not, anymore AnrothElf Mar 2021 #27

There were armories hack89 Mar 2021 #31

They could be used that way, though, right? AnrothElf Mar 2021 #32

Sure, in some fantasy world. hack89 Mar 2021 #35

Long games involve remote goals. AnrothElf Mar 2021 #36

The problem with disarming folks is ManiacJoe Mar 2021 #69

Are you really talking about Good Guys and Bad Guys? AnrothElf Mar 2021 #74

Let's call them People Who Do Bad Things. Straw Man Mar 2021 #85

Sure if you can disarm all criminals 1st...otherwise I prefer my right to defend my home. EX500rider Mar 2021 #72

Ooooo the Mexican boogie man AnrothElf Mar 2021 #79

Sure avoid the point.. EX500rider Mar 2021 #80

They will have no choice if guns are banned AnrothElf Mar 2021 #83

The thing about criminals is they don't follow the law EX500rider Mar 2021 #90

Ummm, convicted criminals ARE banned from owning guns... yagotme Mar 2021 #97

When have criminals EVER been disarmed, ANYWHERE, or ANY-TIME? RotorHead May 2021 #107

Well, let's continue down this "thought" highway... yagotme Mar 2021 #26

I'm sorry for your prospective future inconvenience AnrothElf Mar 2021 #29

So, it's OK to inconvienience me for the deeds of another, through no fault of mine? yagotme Mar 2021 #33

My hobbies have already been on the lists. AnrothElf Mar 2021 #34

I addressed this upthread in #26. yagotme Mar 2021 #41

Yes, it is. And in part because the toxic culture. AnrothElf Mar 2021 #45

So, you really think that repealing one of the amendments in the Bill of Rights... yagotme Mar 2021 #50

I don't think it's a slippery slope kinda thing. AnrothElf Mar 2021 #51

No slope at all sarisataka Mar 2021 #53

So because the police violate the 4A as they have been doing for years in the War on Drugs... AnrothElf Mar 2021 #54

Who are the individuals in your "we disarm the populace" comment... yagotme Mar 2021 #98

lol! Nt USALiberal Mar 2021 #64

And there it is. nt Hawker123 Mar 2021 #61

welcome to DU gopiscrap Mar 2021 #92

Banning all guns is not the ultimate mzmolly Mar 2021 #55

It's not a bad goal, though, is it? AnrothElf Mar 2021 #57

It's futile. mzmolly Mar 2021 #63

There's a fantasy book by S. M. Stirling called "Dies the Fire" in which something like that happens Dial H For Hero Mar 2021 #68

"Wouldn't that be an objectively GOOD thing?" EX500rider Mar 2021 #73

What is the solution now? Fear mongering... AnrothElf Mar 2021 #75

Disarming all the law-abiding citizens EX500rider Mar 2021 #77

Disarming everyone means that AnrothElf Mar 2021 #78

I've never needed my fire extinguisher yet yet I have one EX500rider Mar 2021 #81

What a horrible analogy. AnrothElf Mar 2021 #82

You're missing something. Straw Man Mar 2021 #86

Perfect analogy something you need during an emergency EX500rider Mar 2021 #91

There are other gangs other than Mexican. yagotme Mar 2021 #99

You haven't looked very hard, I see. RotorHead May 2021 #108

Unfortunately, I think trying to repeal the 2nd Amendment would only help Republican politicians. LaMouffette Mar 2021 #6

Rube Goldberg would be proud illegal smile Mar 2021 #7

How would you accomplish #3? RotorHead May 2021 #106

You stumped me! I was going to say, "Just do whatever they do in Europe!" but then found out LaMouffette May 2021 #112

Interesting concept. discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2021 #113

A good first step would be to repeal the Gun Industry Immunity Law. sop Mar 2021 #8

Sounds like a good first step! AnrothElf Mar 2021 #14

You can sue gun manufacturers if they break the law hack89 Mar 2021 #15

Effects of the PLCAA of 2005: sop Mar 2021 #18

Can you list the 6 circumstances that the PLCAA allows you to sue gun manufacturers? hack89 Mar 2021 #19

Doesn't this tell us that legislative and judicial solutions won't work? AnrothElf Mar 2021 #21

The 2A is irrelevant to the conversation hack89 Mar 2021 #23

Bans on individual carry are AnrothElf Mar 2021 #30

Read Heller hack89 Mar 2021 #37

And that right could be preserved, if desired AnrothElf Mar 2021 #40

If you can't pass gun control the 2A allows hack89 Mar 2021 #42

That's why I framed the original question the way I did AnrothElf Mar 2021 #43

Maybe my grandkids will benefit from it hack89 Mar 2021 #46

I am worrying about it FOR my grandkids AnrothElf Mar 2021 #48

Incorrect. RotorHead Mar 2021 #58

So tell me what it does say. Nt hack89 Mar 2021 #60

Under the PLCAA the gun industry cannot be held liable for the damages resulting from negligence, sop Mar 2021 #24

But how are they negligent? hack89 Mar 2021 #25

You obviously believe the gun industry bears no civil liablity for the sale of lethal products that sop Mar 2021 #38

That logic can also apply to brewers and distillers hack89 Mar 2021 #39

If negligence can be proven, then the public has the right to sue brewers. That's how it works. sop Mar 2021 #47

Correction. Straw Man Mar 2021 #87

If I drive 90 MPH down the road, yagotme Mar 2021 #28

Congress has not granted Chevy, or the entire automotive industry, immunity from civil litigation. sop Mar 2021 #44

Yes, they can be sued. yagotme Mar 2021 #49

It's not just "making a defective product," there are many other things manufacturers or sellers sop Mar 2021 #52

Wrong again. Straw Man Mar 2021 #88

Huh?! RotorHead Mar 2021 #59

"The Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act, or PLCAA, grants broad immunity from liability sop Mar 2021 #62

Your error.... RotorHead Mar 2021 #66

Your error is in confusing the debate over negligence with the right of citizens to sue. sop Mar 2021 #67

Apologies for the late reply.... RotorHead May 2021 #105

Yes. mzmolly Mar 2021 #56

So many people don't seem to understand. discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2021 #65

Futile, would hurt Democrats. The Mouth Mar 2021 #70

Good advice: discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2021 #71

Fuck Karl Marx AnrothElf Mar 2021 #76

Such stunning eloquence. Straw Man Mar 2021 #89

LOL The Mouth Mar 2021 #93

I'm more of a gun eliminatist... AnrothElf Mar 2021 #94

We've noticed The Mouth Mar 2021 #95

My contempt is the same for gun-worshippers AnrothElf Mar 2021 #96

Hah! RotorHead May 2021 #104

Actually, this is complicated looking at the big picture. discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2021 #100

Groups/articles backing 2d amendment repeal: yagotme Apr 2021 #101

I'm not sure why the thread author is ignoring both of my replies. discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2021 #102

What hurts, though, is our Party members, yagotme Apr 2021 #103

Many Democrats favor at least to some degree the spirit of "defund the police". discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2021 #111

I believe there is a need for "police". yagotme May 2021 #114

I don't support ending police departments. discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2021 #115

No argument whatsoever. n/t yagotme May 2021 #116

I am going to guess that many melm00se May 2021 #109

Urban dwellers in many cases I suppose. discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2021 #110