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In reply to the discussion: Judge Tosses California Ammunition Purchase Law [View all]friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)18. How about "Roe v Wade said it, I believe it, that settles it!"? That work for you?
Or how about "Obergefell v Hodges said it, I believe it, that settles it!" ?
I look at the stridently gun-averse in the same way I look at the fetus fetishists and homophobes...
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1172207939
On gun control and border walls
It strikes me that they're both being promoted in the same way:
By playing on the fears of low-information voters (for fun, profit, and most importantly *votes*) by promising to keep them safe from an outgroup that the in-group regards as threatening, violent, and culturally inferior...
It strikes me that they're both being promoted in the same way:
By playing on the fears of low-information voters (for fun, profit, and most importantly *votes*) by promising to keep them safe from an outgroup that the in-group regards as threatening, violent, and culturally inferior...
http://web.mit.edu/curhan/www/docs/Articles/biases/13_J_Experimental_Social_Psychology_279_%28Ross%29.pdf
JOURNAL OF EXPERIMENTAL SOCIAL PSYCHOLOGY
The False Consensus Effect: An Egocentric Bias in Social Perception and Attribution Processes
LEE ROSS, DAVID GREENE, AND PAMELA HOUSE
Stanford University
Received April 21, 1976
Evidence from four studies demonstrates that social observers tend to perceive
a false consensus with respect to the relative commonness of their own responses.
A related bias was shown to exist in the observers social inferences.
Thus, raters estimated particular responses to be relatively common and relatively
unrevealing concerning the actors distinguishing personal dispositions when the
responses in question were similar to the raters own responses; responses differing
from those of the rater, by contrast, were perceived to be relatively uncommon
and revealing of the actor. These results were obtained both in questionnaire studies
presenting subjects with hypothetical situations and choices and in authentic conflict
situations. The implications of these findings for our understanding of social perception
phenomena and for our analysis of the divergent perceptions of actors and observers
are discussed. Finally, cognitive and perceptual mechanisms are proposed which might
account for distortions in perceived consensus and for corresponding biases in social
inference and attributional processes.
The False Consensus Effect: An Egocentric Bias in Social Perception and Attribution Processes
LEE ROSS, DAVID GREENE, AND PAMELA HOUSE
Stanford University
Received April 21, 1976
Evidence from four studies demonstrates that social observers tend to perceive
a false consensus with respect to the relative commonness of their own responses.
A related bias was shown to exist in the observers social inferences.
Thus, raters estimated particular responses to be relatively common and relatively
unrevealing concerning the actors distinguishing personal dispositions when the
responses in question were similar to the raters own responses; responses differing
from those of the rater, by contrast, were perceived to be relatively uncommon
and revealing of the actor. These results were obtained both in questionnaire studies
presenting subjects with hypothetical situations and choices and in authentic conflict
situations. The implications of these findings for our understanding of social perception
phenomena and for our analysis of the divergent perceptions of actors and observers
are discussed. Finally, cognitive and perceptual mechanisms are proposed which might
account for distortions in perceived consensus and for corresponding biases in social
inference and attributional processes.
The disinterested observer will note that both gun-control advocates *and* the "build a border wall to keep the
scary brown people out" crowd regularly claim to have vast majorities on their side, and only the evil machinations
of a cabal of <insert name of demonized outgroup here> are preventing the New Jerusalem from coming about.
This serves two purposes: 1. To serve as a convenient excuse for why their "common sense reforms" aren't
happening, and 2) Providing a handy tool to help convincine the mar..., errr 'concerned voters' to keep the faith and keep forking over $$$
The best illustration of the mindset can be found, imo, in Eric Hoffer's "The True Believer"

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Feh- that was also the meme used to sell Proposition 8- 'preventing societal harm'
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2020
#4
That fact that a Constitutional right is unpopular in certain polities doesn't make it non-existant
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2020
#9
Your use of the phrase "correctly interpreted" spoke Loudly to me, so I did a little research
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2020
#15
Winkling out deceit is hardly bullying, and I own no guns. Try again...
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2020
#22
So without the violation of rights 16% of the time, would the law be acceptable?
discntnt_irny_srcsm
Apr 2020
#28
Try again- this bit of performative security theater inconvenienced *everybody*...
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2020
#3
Your defense of this security theater is sincere, but misplaced for these reasons:
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2020
#10
Lots of things have been restricted for ostensibly being 'dangerous to public safety'
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2020
#13
Unless and until it is repealed, the Second Amendment exists, and is law
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2020
#16
How about "Roe v Wade said it, I believe it, that settles it!"? That work for you?
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2020
#18
In the meantime, I suggest California gun owners minimize the effect of this law by...
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2020
#19
IMO, Scalia's decision in D.C. v Heller was one of his few 'stopped clock' moments.
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2020
#26