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friendly_iconoclast

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18. How about "Roe v Wade said it, I believe it, that settles it!"? That work for you?
Sat Apr 25, 2020, 10:46 PM
Apr 2020

Or how about "Obergefell v Hodges said it, I believe it, that settles it!" ?

I look at the stridently gun-averse in the same way I look at the fetus fetishists and homophobes...


https://www.democraticunderground.com/1172207939

On gun control and border walls

It strikes me that they're both being promoted in the same way:

By playing on the fears of low-information voters (for fun, profit, and most importantly *votes*) by promising to keep them safe from an outgroup that the in-group regards as threatening, violent, and culturally inferior...



http://web.mit.edu/curhan/www/docs/Articles/biases/13_J_Experimental_Social_Psychology_279_%28Ross%29.pdf

JOURNAL OF EXPERIMENTAL SOCIAL PSYCHOLOGY

The “False Consensus Effect”: An Egocentric Bias in Social Perception and Attribution Processes

LEE ROSS, DAVID GREENE, AND PAMELA HOUSE
Stanford University

Received April 21, 1976

Evidence from four studies demonstrates that social observers tend to perceive
a “false consensus” with respect to the relative commonness of their own responses.
A related bias was shown to exist in the observers’ social inferences.
Thus, raters estimated particular responses to be relatively common and relatively
unrevealing concerning the actors’ distinguishing personal dispositions when the
responses in question were similar to the raters’ own responses; responses differing
from those of the rater, by contrast, were perceived to be relatively uncommon
and revealing of the actor.
These results were obtained both in questionnaire studies
presenting subjects with hypothetical situations and choices and in authentic conflict
situations. The implications of these findings for our understanding of social perception
phenomena and for our analysis of the divergent perceptions of actors and observers
are discussed. Finally, cognitive and perceptual mechanisms are proposed which might
account for distortions in perceived consensus and for corresponding biases in social
inference and attributional processes.


The disinterested observer will note that both gun-control advocates *and* the "build a border wall to keep the
scary brown people out" crowd regularly claim to have vast majorities on their side, and only the evil machinations
of a cabal of <insert name of demonized outgroup here> are preventing the New Jerusalem from coming about.

This serves two purposes: 1. To serve as a convenient excuse for why their "common sense reforms" aren't
happening, and 2) Providing a handy tool to help convincine the mar..., errr 'concerned voters' to keep the faith and keep forking over $$$

The best illustration of the mindset can be found, imo, in Eric Hoffer's "The True Believer"







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Judge Tosses California Ammunition Purchase Law [View all] friendly_iconoclast Apr 2020 OP
Any act of public policy which increases Frasier Balzov Apr 2020 #1
Feh- that was also the meme used to sell Proposition 8- 'preventing societal harm' friendly_iconoclast Apr 2020 #4
Voluntary marriage? Voluntary consumption of alcohol? Frasier Balzov Apr 2020 #6
That fact that a Constitutional right is unpopular in certain polities doesn't make it non-existant friendly_iconoclast Apr 2020 #9
The act in question is part of the 2016 California Proposition 63 discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2020 #8
Nothing prevents the 2A from being correctly interpreted. Frasier Balzov Apr 2020 #12
Your use of the phrase "correctly interpreted" spoke Loudly to me, so I did a little research friendly_iconoclast Apr 2020 #15
A bully who loves guns. Frasier Balzov Apr 2020 #20
Winkling out deceit is hardly bullying, and I own no guns. Try again... friendly_iconoclast Apr 2020 #22
Do share that interpretation. discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2020 #21
They have already stated what sort of interpretation they'd like: friendly_iconoclast Apr 2020 #23
So without the violation of rights 16% of the time, would the law be acceptable? discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2020 #28
So of the people it inconvenienced thucythucy Apr 2020 #2
Try again- this bit of performative security theater inconvenienced *everybody*... friendly_iconoclast Apr 2020 #3
But more than four fifths of those "inconvenienced" thucythucy Apr 2020 #5
You are misinterpreting the sentence. ManiacJoe Apr 2020 #7
Your defense of this security theater is sincere, but misplaced for these reasons: friendly_iconoclast Apr 2020 #10
Admittedly, the fact that some juresdictions are lackadaisical thucythucy Apr 2020 #11
Lots of things have been restricted for ostensibly being 'dangerous to public safety' friendly_iconoclast Apr 2020 #13
I consider bullets and firearms to be in an altogether different realm thucythucy Apr 2020 #14
Unless and until it is repealed, the Second Amendment exists, and is law friendly_iconoclast Apr 2020 #16
Which is the inevitable go-to argument thucythucy Apr 2020 #17
How about "Roe v Wade said it, I believe it, that settles it!"? That work for you? friendly_iconoclast Apr 2020 #18
In the meantime, I suggest California gun owners minimize the effect of this law by... friendly_iconoclast Apr 2020 #19
There are compelling reasons why I am pro-choice, thucythucy Apr 2020 #25
IMO, Scalia's decision in D.C. v Heller was one of his few 'stopped clock' moments. friendly_iconoclast Apr 2020 #26
To answer your question-- thucythucy Apr 2020 #27
And to further the controversy... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2020 #24
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