Gun Control & RKBA

krispos42

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66. A decent amount have

Sun Sep 8, 2019, 08:01 PM

Sep 2019

Check out the list at the top of the Group; it has the 25 most deadly in it from a Mother Jones list, and also links to the MoJo list directly which goes back about 50 years.

Virginia Tech was done with two pistols, Columbine was done with two shotguns, a pistol-caliber rifle, and an "assault weapon" pistol. I believe most of the deaths from the Aurora movie-theater shooting was done with a shotgun and pistol.

There's more in the list.

Here's the thing about your reply, though... you seem to be waiting for some mass conversion by people that own AR-15-type rifles, some enlightenment that will cause them saw their guns in half and set them on fire. It's not going to happen.

From the "The Trace" article you linked:

Some states that have imposed their own assault weapon bans have also experienced widespread noncompliance. Only approximately 45,000 of an estimated 1 million weapons were registered in New York during the first 18 months its law was in effect. In California, 18 months after legislators expanded its criteria for assault weapons registration in 2016, only about 160,000 of an estimated 1.5 million weapons in the state covered by the law were registered. The state bans have been further undermined by gunmakers who make weapons that comply with the letter of the law, but are functionally similar to the restricted weapons.

People who own something don't like being blamed and punished for stuff they didn't do. And note in that quote that California expanded its definition of assault weapon. Because it's an arbitrary and emotional definition, it can and is being stretched very broadly.

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Gun-control mistakes [View all] discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2019 OP

I disagree with mistake #4. Eko Aug 2019 #1

sorry you disagree discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2019 #2

Of course a single action revolver can fire faster than a semi auto AR. Eko Aug 2019 #3

Immense apologies discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2019 #4

If I asked you for specifics, do you think you could provide them? krispos42 Aug 2019 #5

Here are some specifics for you. Eko Aug 2019 #6

like I said before, gejohnston Aug 2019 #7

See this. Eko Aug 2019 #8

So? gejohnston Aug 2019 #9

Can you point out where it says that? Eko Aug 2019 #10

right here. gejohnston Aug 2019 #11

Still dont see "special permit" Eko Aug 2019 #12

distiction without a difference gejohnston Aug 2019 #13

No, I go by details. Eko Aug 2019 #14

There is no correlation, gejohnston Aug 2019 #15

Inequality can be a major factor without a doubt, Eko Aug 2019 #16

why? gejohnston Aug 2019 #17

Because you are making the claim. Eko Aug 2019 #18

I provided evidence for income inequality, gejohnston Aug 2019 #20

I showed evidence Eko Aug 2019 #22

Yet you ignored the highest that also have gejohnston Aug 2019 #24

So do the top 50 to disprove me. Eko Aug 2019 #26

nothing can disproven, gejohnston Aug 2019 #31

Ok then, show enough data points to make mine invalid. Eko Aug 2019 #33

you haven't shown yours to be valid. gejohnston Aug 2019 #36

Show the data. Eko Aug 2019 #27

you didn't do shit gejohnston Aug 2019 #29

It acutally took me about an hour to do this. Eko Aug 2019 #32

an hour to do a few links, gejohnston Aug 2019 #34

Actually, there are two links I used Eko Aug 2019 #35

OK, gejohnston Aug 2019 #37

So fucking do it! Eko Aug 2019 #38

I did. gejohnston Aug 2019 #41

So you admit you are just trolling. Eko Aug 2019 #39

no you are. gejohnston Aug 2019 #40

I mean I have already done 2 out of the 3 data points for you. Eko Aug 2019 #19

why should I? gejohnston Aug 2019 #23

Feel free to make your case with data points. Eko Aug 2019 #25

because you haven't provided a gejohnston Aug 2019 #28

So just make a claim without backing it up. Eko Aug 2019 #30

You can start with this. Eko Aug 2019 #21

I was referring to defining "assault weapons" krispos42 Sep 2019 #48

I think the inventor of the AR 15 knew one when he saw one. Eko Sep 2019 #50

I see a .223 rifle. krispos42 Sep 2019 #59

Any of those are assault weapon features. Eko Sep 2019 #61

Exactly my point. krispos42 Sep 2019 #63

LOL. Eko Sep 2019 #65

Well, one is an armed truck, one isn't. krispos42 Sep 2019 #67

But your paint analogy was a good one. Eko Sep 2019 #69

Depends on use, I guess. krispos42 Sep 2019 #72

So, what you are saying is Eko Sep 2019 #75

I assumed a .223 Model 700 for equivalency krispos42 Sep 2019 #79

Where did I imply this? Eko Sep 2019 #76

This is interesting also. Eko Sep 2019 #51

And we figured it out once before so we could do it again. Eko Sep 2019 #52

And it didn't do a damn thing to control either mass shootings or regular murders krispos42 Sep 2019 #53

People disagree with your opinion. Eko Sep 2019 #54

Okay, here's the promised data krispos42 Sep 2019 #57

In your second graph Eko Sep 2019 #58

And everything else as well. krispos42 Sep 2019 #60

What percentage of mass murders used handgans and non firearm weapons vs semi auto rifles? Eko Sep 2019 #62

A decent amount have krispos42 Sep 2019 #66

All definitions are arbitrary and can be changed. Eko Sep 2019 #77

And that is not true per your graphs. Eko Sep 2019 #64

You're right. I stand corrected krispos42 Sep 2019 #70

Gun sales decreased when it was a law then increased when it was ended. Eko Sep 2019 #71

That's not quite a logical conclusion, though. krispos42 Sep 2019 #73

Correlation does not mean causation. Eko Sep 2019 #74

FYI, IL does not have AWB statewide. Yet. nt yagotme Sep 2019 #55

BATFE definition: yagotme Sep 2019 #56

So what do you recommend to stop the massive killing spree? lark Aug 2019 #42

Thoughts and some logical reasoning followed with action for sure discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2019 #43

I truly like those plans but they wouldn't stop the mass murderers. lark Aug 2019 #44

My thoughts are practical and immediate discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2019 #45

BTW in the other countries direction discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2019 #46

for mass murders, gejohnston Aug 2019 #47

So how would that have stopper the Las Vegas shooter? Eko Sep 2019 #68

So what would have stopped Jeffrey Dahmer? discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2019 #78

Ah there it is. Eko Sep 2019 #80

Sorry, I inferred from that you thought an AWB would have stopped the Vegas shooting discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2019 #81

What does Jeffrey Dahmer and Josef Mengele have to do with the AWB? Eko Sep 2019 #82

BTW, I never said nor do I believe... discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2019 #83

Then why bring up Jeffrey Dahmer and Josef Mengele? Eko Sep 2019 #84

Please reread the OP discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2019 #85

Of course laws prevent crimes. Eko Sep 2019 #86

And this goes to further prove my point... discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2019 #87

Nope, Eko Sep 2019 #88

Big fat hairy deal discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2019 #89

LOL, way too funny buddy. Eko Sep 2019 #90

Just accept what you apparently think and own it discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2019 #91

Just accept that you cant help but Strawman me. Eko Sep 2019 #93

Well, I don't own a gun discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2019 #94

I fear we will not be able to. krispos42 Sep 2019 #49

Mistake #6 Alea Sep 2019 #92

I'm sure if I search... discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2019 #95