Gun Control & RKBA

discntnt_irny_srcsm

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69. Perhaps we should return to plan of the Founders

Tue Feb 27, 2018, 03:12 PM

Feb 2018

Perhaps state governors should represent the interests of the people of their states.
Perhaps the House of Representatives should serve as a check against federal usurpation of state powers.
Perhaps the federal government should operate as a unifying force for the states and not the answer to the various needs of individuals.

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The 2A has been written by men and can just as easily be deleted by men. It's no biggie. [View all] DetlefK Feb 2018 OP

And 2A does not trump all other rights MaryMagdaline Feb 2018 #1

So can the First. MichMary Feb 2018 #2

Our Rights Aren't Granted by Humans Abnredleg Feb 2018 #3

Who said that there are natural, unalienable rights??????? DetlefK Feb 2018 #5

So There are No Universal Human Rights? Abnredleg Feb 2018 #6

Where were these human rights when we had slavery? DetlefK Feb 2018 #12

Switzerland. Straw Man Feb 2018 #15

Good analogy. What rights did slaves have until the slave holders were forced to live under NEW laws Fred Sanders Feb 2018 #26

John Locke gejohnston Feb 2018 #7

Kinda' broad there don't ya think? Like me saying gunners are right flamin lib Feb 2018 #18

When it comes to arguing based on facts, reason and evidence gejohnston Feb 2018 #33

Logical fallacies like the broad brush fallacy which is what you flamin lib Feb 2018 #48

Thing is, gejohnston Feb 2018 #50

Ya just can't give up that big ole wide fallacious brush can ya. flamin lib Feb 2018 #51

Any logical process begin adopting axioms discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2018 #29

The right to own an AR15 is a natural, unalienable right? HopeAgain Feb 2018 #9

That's Not What I Said Abnredleg Feb 2018 #10

You did say the 2nd is a natural, inlienable right HopeAgain Feb 2018 #11

I'm Arguing that the Right to Self Defense Abnredleg Feb 2018 #16

But by having it listed as such a right HopeAgain Feb 2018 #17

How Does the Nature of a Right Change? Abnredleg Feb 2018 #19

Guess that's were we differ HopeAgain Feb 2018 #20

I'd like you to reflect melm00se Feb 2018 #22

to what end? HopeAgain Feb 2018 #23

it addresses melm00se Feb 2018 #24

Gun people should see with these Parkland kids HopeAgain Feb 2018 #25

"We just want to ban assault weapons." yagotme Mar 2018 #89

God doesn't exist. Hope this helps. AtheistCrusader May 2020 #98

God did not create guns. Sophia4 Feb 2018 #31

I'm Arguing that the Right to Defend One's Self Abnredleg Feb 2018 #32

If AR-15s are illegal, you defend yourself without one. Sophia4 Feb 2018 #34

I don't have any problems with an AWB Abnredleg Feb 2018 #37

Right. Sophia4 Feb 2018 #39

Yes - Right Abnredleg Feb 2018 #40

Hold on a minute ... Straw Man Feb 2018 #56

All you need is 38 states to agree. hack89 Feb 2018 #4

Yeah, I remember when the ERA was being debated in the GA legislature CozyMystery Feb 2018 #60

So people really have no rights? sarisataka Feb 2018 #8

Let me ask you a counter-question: DetlefK Feb 2018 #13

People have any right they choose to take for themselves. Decoy of Fenris Feb 2018 #14

Let's go to the top sarisataka Feb 2018 #21

The most fundamental of all rights is the right of a living person to continue living Sophia4 Feb 2018 #35

I think you need to address the OP sarisataka Feb 2018 #43

Write to the NRA in support of licenses for gun owners and insurance policies on all Sophia4 Feb 2018 #44

Those are some things to work with sarisataka Feb 2018 #45

I'm sorry about your cousin. Sophia4 Feb 2018 #53

Minnesota sarisataka Feb 2018 #64

I did not address high-powered weapon sarisataka Feb 2018 #46

I wrote another post on the topic of technological understanding of guns stating Sophia4 Feb 2018 #54

Hitting the same notes, I see. Straw Man Feb 2018 #57

And of course you will argue for the same laws for automobiles. oneshooter Feb 2018 #47

Yes. Personally, I don't like to drive, but I live in a city in which I have to drive. Sophia4 Feb 2018 #55

Since you do drive "and I would be relieved of the burden of driving." oneshooter Feb 2018 #65

We all pay for them when we buy automobiles and automobile insurance. Sophia4 Feb 2018 #66

Your insurance will not pay if you oneshooter Feb 2018 #67

Well ... Straw Man Feb 2018 #58

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I'm getting the pop corn out. प्रिया ? marble falls Apr 2020 #92

. sarisataka Apr 2020 #93

Want some pop-corn? Lotsa butter and salt! marble falls Apr 2020 #94

Yum, I brought drinks sarisataka Apr 2020 #95

That was short and sa-weet. We had popcorn and she had pizza! ... marble falls Apr 2020 #96

re: "Who grants rights?" discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2018 #27

The right of innocent victims of people exercising their Second Amendment right Sophia4 Feb 2018 #36

Oy. Straw Man Feb 2018 #59

The right to life is above most everything discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2018 #61

We ourselves grant rights to ourselves and others. DetlefK Feb 2018 #63

Clarification discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2018 #68

But how do we know what's a right and what's not a right? DetlefK Feb 2018 #84

The US was founded on the idea that people have rights discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2018 #85

While we are amending the Constitution, could we elect the president by popular vote Sophia4 Feb 2018 #28

That is exactly why the electoral college exists Always Right Feb 2018 #30

The majority of the people should rule this country. Sophia4 Feb 2018 #38

An easier path. MarvinGardens Feb 2018 #41

Good idea, but the president should represent us all. Sophia4 Feb 2018 #42

Perhaps we should return to plan of the Founders discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2018 #69

The government should represent the people. Sophia4 Feb 2018 #70

Maybe but I'd rather not discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2018 #71

I'm in California. Trump would not be president if my vote counted the same as Sophia4 Feb 2018 #74

there is a reason why modern republics have federal systems gejohnston Feb 2018 #72

I am asking that my vote as a Californian count as much in presidential elections Sophia4 Feb 2018 #73

I agree with the Founders vison gejohnston Feb 2018 #75

No one from Southern California is in the Senate. Sophia4 Feb 2018 #76

I was speaking of the state level gejohnston Feb 2018 #77

I understand. But the huge population of Southern California is now without Sophia4 Feb 2018 #78

so? gejohnston Feb 2018 #79

Senators represent the people of the area they represent. They don't represent the Sophia4 Feb 2018 #80

Actually, they don't represent you at all. gejohnston Feb 2018 #81

Probably true in reality, but on some issues, the parties/ideologies and various Sophia4 Feb 2018 #82

The guy that ran against Cheney's daughter gejohnston Feb 2018 #83

Just to explain discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2018 #86

The states remain states. They have their own state laws, courts, Constitutions. Sophia4 Feb 2018 #87

Bravo! discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2018 #88

The Second Amendment may be eventually deleted ... spin Feb 2018 #49

I think women should take this on. We men have fucked up enough. pangaia Feb 2018 #52

No answers? discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2018 #62

You may need to aim your sites a little lower. aikoaiko Mar 2018 #90

re: "It's no biggie." & "Rewriting a constitution...that's actually not that big of a deal." discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2020 #97