Gun Control & RKBA

friendly_iconoclast

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65. "NRA talking points" is the functional equivalent of "fake news": a thought-terminating cliche...

Thu Feb 22, 2018, 04:32 PM

Feb 2018

...in no essential different from Bible-quoting, or chanting snippets from Quotations from Chairman Mao Tse-tung

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quotations_from_Chairman_Mao_Tse-tung

The tradition of the ritual chanting of slogans originated with Lin Biao who Mao Zedong met in the Red Guard. Among the best known is: "Saying Wansui (long live) in their mouths, holding the Quotations (from Chairman Mao) in their hands!" -Chinese: 万岁不离口，语录不离手- which became a cliché of dogmatism or formalist irony.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clich%C3%A9#Thought-terminating_clich.C3.A9

Thought-terminating cliché

In his 1961 book Thought Reform and the Psychology of Totalism: A Study of "Brainwashing" in China psychiatrist Robert Jay Lifton introduced the term "thought-terminating cliché". This refers to a cliché that is a commonly used phrase, or folk wisdom, sometimes used to quell cognitive dissonance. Though the clichéd phrase in and of itself may be valid in certain contexts, its application as a means of dismissing dissent or justifying fallacious logic is what makes it thought-terminating.

Lifton wrote:

"The language of the totalist environment is characterized by the thought-terminating cliché. The most far-reaching and complex of human problems are compressed into brief, highly reductive, definitive-sounding phrases, easily memorized and easily expressed. These become the start and finish of any ideological analysis."

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Kids and Guns: Shootings now the 3rd-leading cause of death for US Children [View all] sharedvalues Feb 2018 OP

"We need more guns to fix this problem!" - NRA Beartracks Feb 2018 #1

If those kids were armed they'd stop the other kid criminals accidentally shooting them! sharedvalues Feb 2018 #2

I inquire about access to firearms... 3catwoman3 Feb 2018 #3

Our pediatrician told us to ask about guns too. America is insane on guns. sharedvalues Feb 2018 #4

Yes, there are kids being killed and injured by the misuse of guns. ManiacJoe Feb 2018 #5

The problem of too many guns that are not single shot rifles sharedvalues Feb 2018 #6

So, if a kid gets hold of a single shot rifle, and kills their self with it, yagotme Feb 2018 #7

One step at a time, friend. One. Step. At. A. Time. AzureCrest Feb 2018 #8

No. Ban handguns and semi-autos. Like Canada effectively does. sharedvalues Feb 2018 #9

But Canada does not do that. ManiacJoe Feb 2018 #11

As we can see, factual accuracy is not a priority in gun control advocacy friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #13

Handguns severally restricted to police, armed guards and remote wildlife areas. Fred Sanders Feb 2018 #27

So if I own guns, I'm complicit in gun deaths. yagotme Feb 2018 #18

Yup. Handgun and semi auto owners are complicit. sharedvalues Feb 2018 #19

Are drug users likewise complicit in cartel violence? friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #22

You should go with: guns kill Americans sharedvalues Feb 2018 #24

So, what percentage of my purchase amount goes to the NRA??? yagotme Feb 2018 #44

What percent of your purchase is profit for gun manufacturers? sharedvalues Feb 2018 #50

Which one? yagotme Feb 2018 #53

Yes your money goes to gun companies who give it to the NRA. sharedvalues Feb 2018 #57

Well, if there was such a problem.... ManiacJoe Feb 2018 #10

Am interesting in saving American lives. By banning handguns. Kids lives. sharedvalues Feb 2018 #20

Pretty sure the numbers would not support your plan. ManiacJoe Feb 2018 #21

Fewer guns, fewer deaths sharedvalues Feb 2018 #23

Nor can you stop him by allowing single shot firearms n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2018 #25

True, but there is value in respecting real hunters. sharedvalues Feb 2018 #48

Maybe I'm wrong but you say... discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2018 #52

Hunters can own single shot rifles. sharedvalues Feb 2018 #58

No thanks discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2018 #70

You'd rather have dead kids than give up your killing weapons? Seems un-neighborly sharedvalues Feb 2018 #72

"un-neighborly"? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demagogue#Folksy_posturing friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #74

Those are your words not mine discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2018 #78

The problem is that fewer guns does not lead to fewer deaths. ManiacJoe Feb 2018 #28

let's see the numbers that prove "fewer guns does not lead to fewer deaths" CreekDog Feb 2018 #38

Well, that is one way to increase your post count. ManiacJoe Feb 2018 #43

this is how you increase your post count: CreekDog Feb 2018 #60

We can prove the opposite krispos42 Feb 2018 #62

you're not answering the question CreekDog Feb 2018 #64

Where would I get data on that? krispos42 Feb 2018 #71

May or may not? Then ban them. Better than the current situation. sharedvalues Feb 2018 #49

this guy didn't destroy his weapon, gejohnston Feb 2018 #67

He did cut the receiver in half later, apparently-but only after people pointed out what you said... friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #75

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demagogue#Gross_oversimplification friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #77

"Fewer horses, fewer horse thieves." yagotme Feb 2018 #45

(behind illnesses and unintentional injuries like drownings or car crashes). EX500rider Feb 2018 #12

Why start the OP off with a lie? The CDC and government aren't banned from collecting data linuxman Feb 2018 #14

I think you've got the wrong amendment. Straw Man Feb 2018 #15

Yep. That's it. linuxman Feb 2018 #16

FWIW I think DU doesn't respond correctly to links with parentheses. discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2018 #17

I debunk your falsehood in this previous post. GOP and NRA are AFRAID of gun data. sharedvalues Feb 2018 #29

Actually you didn't discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2018 #30

You didn't read the report excerpt I quoted then. sharedvalues Feb 2018 #31

The fact is as I reported in the quote from the actual law discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2018 #32

I am in a purple area. This issue will win for Dems sharedvalues Feb 2018 #33

But one other point sharedvalues Feb 2018 #34

But, what they are pushing for now is another "AWB". yagotme Feb 2018 #46

Simple: ban assault weapons. If you think it's too hard, ban all semiautomatics. A ban with teeth. sharedvalues Feb 2018 #47

Not so simple; what's an "assault weapon"? n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2018 #54

Hey an NRA talking point! Whatabout a barrel stock magazine clip silencer sight stock bolt lever... sharedvalues Feb 2018 #59

It's actually a very valid question krispos42 Feb 2018 #61

America is a country of momentous innovation discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2018 #79

Ritually chanting a slogan like "NRA talking point(s)", or "fake news" *isn't* a counterargument friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #68

No thanks, unprecedented, not possible discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2018 #69

If you don't know, then ban them all. All semi autos sharedvalues Feb 2018 #73

"(Gun) fetishists"? Once again, Wikipedia has your number: friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #76

Do you really realize what you're saying when you say yagotme Feb 2018 #55

Yes. Semiautos: banned. Single-shot hunting rifles: allowed. sharedvalues Feb 2018 #56

So, me saying that some people are evil is an NRA talking point. yagotme Feb 2018 #63

Using the phrase "talking point" reduces a complex discussion to the level of secular Bible-quoting. friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #66

"NRA talking points" is the functional equivalent of "fake news": a thought-terminating cliche... friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #65

The loons on the right will just say Yeah, & the leading cause is abortion. nt MadDAsHell Feb 2018 #26

"The number is based on data taken from 20122014 for children up to the age of 17" EX500rider Feb 2018 #35

Americans in cities know: kids get caught in crossfire sharedvalues Feb 2018 #36

Calling 17yo's "children" is just dishonest BS to drive up the number. EX500rider Feb 2018 #37

Kids get killed by guns. Are you denying that? sharedvalues Feb 2018 #39

Yes they do which doesn't change calling 17yo's children is obvious BS. EX500rider Feb 2018 #40

Ok cool. sharedvalues Feb 2018 #41

OMG, somebody on DU was reasonable!! thanks! lol EX500rider Feb 2018 #42

Federal funds are not allowed to be used for gun violence research JDC Feb 2018 #51