Gun Control & RKBA

sharedvalues

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33. I am in a purple area. This issue will win for Dems

Reply to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Reply #32)

Sun Feb 18, 2018, 03:40 PM

Feb 2018

I know the gun politics very very well. I have family members who are insecure and need guns to feel manly.

I promise you: this is the time to take a stand. This is about the lives of American kids. Don’t hide behind flawed stats. First, the report I quoted is correct and you are debating semantics: your own quote says federal research was chilled by GOP and NRA.

Second, here’s the only statistic that matters today:

SEVENTEEN KIDS JUST GOT KILLED because GOP billionaires and corporations need gun politics, to get votes for their pro-billionaire actions.

You’re either on the side of America or you’re on the side of the NRA - who will go down in history as asbestos or tobacco companies did - traitors to the American people interested only in profits. Which side do you want to be on?

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Kids and Guns: Shootings now the 3rd-leading cause of death for US Children [View all] sharedvalues Feb 2018 OP

"We need more guns to fix this problem!" - NRA Beartracks Feb 2018 #1

If those kids were armed they'd stop the other kid criminals accidentally shooting them! sharedvalues Feb 2018 #2

I inquire about access to firearms... 3catwoman3 Feb 2018 #3

Our pediatrician told us to ask about guns too. America is insane on guns. sharedvalues Feb 2018 #4

Yes, there are kids being killed and injured by the misuse of guns. ManiacJoe Feb 2018 #5

The problem of too many guns that are not single shot rifles sharedvalues Feb 2018 #6

So, if a kid gets hold of a single shot rifle, and kills their self with it, yagotme Feb 2018 #7

One step at a time, friend. One. Step. At. A. Time. AzureCrest Feb 2018 #8

No. Ban handguns and semi-autos. Like Canada effectively does. sharedvalues Feb 2018 #9

But Canada does not do that. ManiacJoe Feb 2018 #11

As we can see, factual accuracy is not a priority in gun control advocacy friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #13

Handguns severally restricted to police, armed guards and remote wildlife areas. Fred Sanders Feb 2018 #27

So if I own guns, I'm complicit in gun deaths. yagotme Feb 2018 #18

Yup. Handgun and semi auto owners are complicit. sharedvalues Feb 2018 #19

Are drug users likewise complicit in cartel violence? friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #22

You should go with: guns kill Americans sharedvalues Feb 2018 #24

So, what percentage of my purchase amount goes to the NRA??? yagotme Feb 2018 #44

What percent of your purchase is profit for gun manufacturers? sharedvalues Feb 2018 #50

Which one? yagotme Feb 2018 #53

Yes your money goes to gun companies who give it to the NRA. sharedvalues Feb 2018 #57

Well, if there was such a problem.... ManiacJoe Feb 2018 #10

Am interesting in saving American lives. By banning handguns. Kids lives. sharedvalues Feb 2018 #20

Pretty sure the numbers would not support your plan. ManiacJoe Feb 2018 #21

Fewer guns, fewer deaths sharedvalues Feb 2018 #23

Nor can you stop him by allowing single shot firearms n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2018 #25

True, but there is value in respecting real hunters. sharedvalues Feb 2018 #48

Maybe I'm wrong but you say... discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2018 #52

Hunters can own single shot rifles. sharedvalues Feb 2018 #58

No thanks discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2018 #70

You'd rather have dead kids than give up your killing weapons? Seems un-neighborly sharedvalues Feb 2018 #72

"un-neighborly"? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demagogue#Folksy_posturing friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #74

Those are your words not mine discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2018 #78

The problem is that fewer guns does not lead to fewer deaths. ManiacJoe Feb 2018 #28

let's see the numbers that prove "fewer guns does not lead to fewer deaths" CreekDog Feb 2018 #38

Well, that is one way to increase your post count. ManiacJoe Feb 2018 #43

this is how you increase your post count: CreekDog Feb 2018 #60

We can prove the opposite krispos42 Feb 2018 #62

you're not answering the question CreekDog Feb 2018 #64

Where would I get data on that? krispos42 Feb 2018 #71

May or may not? Then ban them. Better than the current situation. sharedvalues Feb 2018 #49

this guy didn't destroy his weapon, gejohnston Feb 2018 #67

He did cut the receiver in half later, apparently-but only after people pointed out what you said... friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #75

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demagogue#Gross_oversimplification friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #77

"Fewer horses, fewer horse thieves." yagotme Feb 2018 #45

(behind illnesses and unintentional injuries like drownings or car crashes). EX500rider Feb 2018 #12

Why start the OP off with a lie? The CDC and government aren't banned from collecting data linuxman Feb 2018 #14

I think you've got the wrong amendment. Straw Man Feb 2018 #15

Yep. That's it. linuxman Feb 2018 #16

FWIW I think DU doesn't respond correctly to links with parentheses. discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2018 #17

I debunk your falsehood in this previous post. GOP and NRA are AFRAID of gun data. sharedvalues Feb 2018 #29

Actually you didn't discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2018 #30

You didn't read the report excerpt I quoted then. sharedvalues Feb 2018 #31

The fact is as I reported in the quote from the actual law discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2018 #32

I am in a purple area. This issue will win for Dems sharedvalues Feb 2018 #33

But one other point sharedvalues Feb 2018 #34

But, what they are pushing for now is another "AWB". yagotme Feb 2018 #46

Simple: ban assault weapons. If you think it's too hard, ban all semiautomatics. A ban with teeth. sharedvalues Feb 2018 #47

Not so simple; what's an "assault weapon"? n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2018 #54

Hey an NRA talking point! Whatabout a barrel stock magazine clip silencer sight stock bolt lever... sharedvalues Feb 2018 #59

It's actually a very valid question krispos42 Feb 2018 #61

America is a country of momentous innovation discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2018 #79

Ritually chanting a slogan like "NRA talking point(s)", or "fake news" *isn't* a counterargument friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #68

No thanks, unprecedented, not possible discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2018 #69

If you don't know, then ban them all. All semi autos sharedvalues Feb 2018 #73

"(Gun) fetishists"? Once again, Wikipedia has your number: friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #76

Do you really realize what you're saying when you say yagotme Feb 2018 #55

Yes. Semiautos: banned. Single-shot hunting rifles: allowed. sharedvalues Feb 2018 #56

So, me saying that some people are evil is an NRA talking point. yagotme Feb 2018 #63

Using the phrase "talking point" reduces a complex discussion to the level of secular Bible-quoting. friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #66

"NRA talking points" is the functional equivalent of "fake news": a thought-terminating cliche... friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #65

The loons on the right will just say Yeah, & the leading cause is abortion. nt MadDAsHell Feb 2018 #26

"The number is based on data taken from 20122014 for children up to the age of 17" EX500rider Feb 2018 #35

Americans in cities know: kids get caught in crossfire sharedvalues Feb 2018 #36

Calling 17yo's "children" is just dishonest BS to drive up the number. EX500rider Feb 2018 #37

Kids get killed by guns. Are you denying that? sharedvalues Feb 2018 #39

Yes they do which doesn't change calling 17yo's children is obvious BS. EX500rider Feb 2018 #40

Ok cool. sharedvalues Feb 2018 #41

OMG, somebody on DU was reasonable!! thanks! lol EX500rider Feb 2018 #42

Federal funds are not allowed to be used for gun violence research JDC Feb 2018 #51