Gun Control & RKBA

american_ideals

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21. And: links showing Australian gun laws reduced gun crime

Thu Nov 2, 2017, 11:35 PM

Nov 2017

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/10/australia-gun-control/541710/
"Last year, on the 20th anniversary of the Port Arthur massacre, John Howard, the center-right leader whose government introduced and passed the legislation, said: “It is incontestable that gun-related homicides have fallen quite significantly in Australia, incontestable.” In the interview, he also cited a 74 percent decline in gun-involved suicide rates as evidence of the legislation working. "

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/global-opinions/wp/2017/10/03/how-australia-beat-the-gun-lobby-and-passed-gun-control/
"Still, many thousands of Australian lives have been saved in the past 21 years. "

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/06/asia/australia-gun-amnesty/index.html

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-35048251
"The number of Australia's mass shootings dropped from 11 in the decade before 1996, to zero in the years since."
" the rates of homicide and suicide have also come down since 1996."

http://www.slate.com/blogs/crime/2012/12/16/gun_control_after_connecticut_shooting_could_australia_s_laws_provide_a.html

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/10/04/australian-foreign-minister-offers-share-tough-gun-law-experience-u-s/730659001/

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538 researcher's discovery about guns [View all] gejohnston Oct 2017 OP

This is BS. Wrong. Gun laws reduce deaths and injuries american_ideals Oct 2017 #1

Vox is gejohnston Oct 2017 #3

This: shanny Dec 2017 #103

Dickey Amendment discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2017 #106

because the CDC gejohnston Dec 2017 #107

citations please, or are these simply your opinions: shanny Dec 2017 #108

Correction. Straw Man Dec 2017 #109

the CDC and FBI keep such statistics gejohnston Dec 2017 #110

Josh Marshall tearing up this op-ed american_ideals Oct 2017 #2

Does Marshall point out what those strawmen are? gejohnston Oct 2017 #4

Yes, Marshall shows how the dumb article is wrong and makes no sense. american_ideals Nov 2017 #5

Marshall flat out and unequivocally admits the findings in the article are correct. Decoy of Fenris Nov 2017 #6

America needs a handgun BAN. And an assault rifle BAN. american_ideals Nov 2017 #7

no it wouldn't gejohnston Nov 2017 #8

That kid was killed by a handgun. We need a ban. american_ideals Nov 2017 #9

more people are saved with guns gejohnston Nov 2017 #10

Absolutely false. Gun bans REDUCE crime american_ideals Nov 2017 #12

If it were true, sarisataka Nov 2017 #16

Gun bans actually work american_ideals Nov 2017 #37

here is a question, gejohnston Nov 2017 #40

You avoided the question sarisataka Nov 2017 #47

man your sniffing some powerful glue mikeysnot Nov 2017 #76

No, I just believe in science, gejohnston Nov 2017 #77

No, sorry epic fail mikeysnot Nov 2017 #78

you missed the point gejohnston Nov 2017 #79

You do realize that this was from 2013.... mikeysnot Nov 2017 #80

I'm quite well aware of the year gejohnston Nov 2017 #82

Wait..what? First of all I never blamed you for anything mikeysnot Dec 2017 #83

You didn't read the article gejohnston Dec 2017 #84

Indiana's gun laws are to blame for crime in Chicago american_ideals Dec 2017 #87

there is a propaganda technique called gejohnston Dec 2017 #89

Handgun ban. YOU are helping get America's kids killed. american_ideals Dec 2017 #94

Oh great, john657 Dec 2017 #96

Bullshit. That claim is merely an article of faith, one easily demonstrated to be false: friendly_iconoclast Dec 2017 #91

Since this is old, I'll just say: you are helping get Americans killed. american_ideals Dec 2017 #93

Rote recitation of talking points saves no Americans from getting killed... friendly_iconoclast Dec 2017 #99

'Proof by assertion' is evidence of nothing: friendly_iconoclast Dec 2017 #100

Your arguments are flawed - more guns means more crime and death. It's simple. american_ideals Dec 2017 #86

card stacking and ad hoc fallacies gejohnston Dec 2017 #90

Statistics show you are wrong. Handgun ban. YOU are helping get Americans killed. american_ideals Dec 2017 #95

OK so you get your ban. oneshooter Dec 2017 #97

Obviously this will have to wait for a Democratic controlled congress discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2017 #98

Again, 'argument/proof by assertion' is not proof of anything: friendly_iconoclast Dec 2017 #102

So you have yet to answer a simple question about the policy that you advocate. Why is that? oneshooter Dec 2017 #105

"I already cited the arguments, and the data." Where? I don't see anything. Decoy of Fenris Nov 2017 #13

Listen to the weeds podcast I linked american_ideals Nov 2017 #15

You didn't link a Weeds podcast. You linked a pro-RKBA editorial in response to a pro-RKBA editorial Decoy of Fenris Nov 2017 #17

Come on. The US needs a handgun ban. american_ideals Nov 2017 #18

There's nothing to respond to. You've offered nothing of substance. Decoy of Fenris Nov 2017 #24

Handgun ban would save kids' lives american_ideals Nov 2017 #26

By chance are you familiar with sarisataka Nov 2017 #27

It's a good point american_ideals Nov 2017 #31

Unfortunately it is not a damning report sarisataka Nov 2017 #41

The majority of Americans are opposed to a handgun ban ClarendonDem Nov 2017 #67

Yes you gotta wonder why mikeysnot Nov 2017 #81

Thank you. Well put. american_ideals Dec 2017 #85

What kind of rifles do you shoot, make and model, and in what capacity? Marengo Dec 2017 #88

I enjoy shooting my 1858 Zouave rifle (repro), yagotme Dec 2017 #92

O these statements of your are"pure bullshit"? oneshooter Dec 2017 #104

project much? mikeysnot Jan 2018 #112

Nope, never. oneshooter Jan 2018 #113

and what question was that? mikeysnot Jan 2018 #114

You are quotet as saying, in print oneshooter Jan 2018 #115

have someone explain it to you then. mikeysnot Jan 2018 #116

But I'll humor you by quoting article in support of a handgun ban anyway. american_ideals Nov 2017 #19

more kids choke on small toys than get shot gejohnston Nov 2017 #22

Moving the goalposts. Gun restrictions reduce gun crime. Period. american_ideals Nov 2017 #25

because more people will be killed or mained. gejohnston Nov 2017 #30

And: links showing Australian gun laws reduced gun crime american_ideals Nov 2017 #21

Yeah, OPs that didn't bother to do the research gejohnston Nov 2017 #29

You asked for articles. I gave you six american_ideals Nov 2017 #34

no, I said facts, reason, and evidence gejohnston Nov 2017 #36

You're still missing the forest for the trees: ban handguns to keep kids in cities from getting shot american_ideals Nov 2017 #39

Actually, gejohnston Nov 2017 #42

To be frank american_ideals Nov 2017 #44

//// gejohnston Nov 2017 #46

Face facts: gun restrictions reduce gun crime. Of course they do. american_ideals Nov 2017 #23

Vox writers are barely literate gejohnston Nov 2017 #33

Now you're being ridiculous. Handgun bans will help, and Vox is a great source. american_ideals Nov 2017 #35

no, I'm being totally serious gejohnston Nov 2017 #38

Do some reading, think about the forest/trees argument american_ideals Nov 2017 #43

not a fan of the NRA for various reasons, gejohnston Nov 2017 #45

Your schtick is far from new- 'Proof by assertion' and 'Lovejoying'... friendly_iconoclast Nov 2017 #55

Handguns. Straw Man Nov 2017 #48

No, we don't ClarendonDem Dec 2017 #111

Hey. Ban all guns. Except hunting single shot rifles. american_ideals Nov 2017 #14

Do people have the right to defend themselves? gejohnston Nov 2017 #20

False. Gun restrictions prevent crime. american_ideals Nov 2017 #28

Geology has what to do with criminology? gejohnston Nov 2017 #32

Go ahead and ban them. oneshooter Nov 2017 #50

Sorry. When toys are recalled, does the government pay for them? (Hint: no). american_ideals Nov 2017 #57

Gun prohibitionists do far more typing than voting, so no 'gun recall' friendly_iconoclast Nov 2017 #58

Just wait! Wait until GOP/NRA voter suppression is stopped american_ideals Nov 2017 #63

More "the tide has turned" and "we'll have gun control Real Soon Now!", eh? friendly_iconoclast Nov 2017 #64

Gun fans: helping kids get killed every day in America. Need a handgun ban. american_ideals Nov 2017 #65

And, an every other gun ban. yagotme Nov 2017 #66

Apples and oranges discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2017 #60

Off the premises. Straw Man Nov 2017 #49

post script, gejohnston Nov 2017 #11

Let's be precise here discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2017 #56

ITA. 50 Shades Of Blue Dec 2017 #101

Dude you are wasting your time with these two. mikeysnot Nov 2017 #51

Your interlocutor is just wasting their time, period- they do not have the votes to... friendly_iconoclast Nov 2017 #59

Asserting something as so.... mikeysnot Nov 2017 #61

Meh-petulant reactions from political fantasists and culture warriors carry no sting friendly_iconoclast Nov 2017 #62

I'm a gun owner, I've known others who own guns SonofDonald Nov 2017 #52

I respectfully disagree to some degree gejohnston Nov 2017 #53

Respectfully that's ok, I don't mind, really, I don't. SonofDonald Nov 2017 #54

I'm not opposed to the concept of "sensible" gun control laws ClarendonDem Nov 2017 #68

Didn't I already state what my thoughts are? SonofDonald Nov 2017 #69

No ClarendonDem Nov 2017 #70

Sorry about the prior reply but it seems SonofDonald Nov 2017 #71

Yes, do call the police, yagotme Nov 2017 #73

It's not in a safe SonofDonald Nov 2017 #74

"Well, a gun that's unloaded and cocked ain't worth nothin'" yagotme Nov 2017 #75

marginal improvements, or sickening americana status quo? jimmy the one Nov 2017 #72

This thread is... Puha Ekapi_2 Jan 2018 #117

It sure is discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2018 #118

been busy in the real world Puha Ekapi_2 Jan 2018 #119

I'm not as well informed about what folks are talking about discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2018 #120