Gun Control & RKBA

discntnt_irny_srcsm

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38. See my embedded replies below

Fri Jul 21, 2017, 11:10 AM

Jul 2017

"Making it difficult for a law abiding individual to own and acquire a gun will not prevent a criminal from obtaining one."

This is not entirely true. Many times guns are stolen from law-abiding citizens and end up in criminal hands. Thus, if law-abiding citizens are prevented from having guns, then the total pool of criminal guns should be smaller.

And if law-abiding folks have no effective means of defense against the "smaller pool" they are still defenseless victims. The idea is to reduce crime. A self-defense shooting isn't a crime.

Furthermore, consider that sometimes a law-abiding gun owner later becomes a criminal. My logic again holds: if law-abiding citizens are prevented from having guns, then the total pool of criminal guns should be smaller.

You seem concerned about disarming the pre-criminal element among us. I'd prefer to prevent them from ever becoming criminals. The last hundred years have amply demonstrated to me that banning is one of the surest ways to provide an economic motive for crime. (By analogy, if I had a magic wand, I wouldn't make a Republican unable to vote, I'd make him a Democrat.

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Once again, this would take a long time, due to the number of guns already in this country.

Actually, this would take forever since hundreds of millions of guns exist, the skill to manufacture a gun exists and 3-D printers exists. The genie is out of the bottle.

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Smart guns - survey... sort of [View all] discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2017 OP

It's an interesting analogy, ExciteBike66 Jul 2017 #1

I thought governors had drivers? Throck Jul 2017 #5

What do you think money grows on trees? ExciteBike66 Jul 2017 #6

As I understand the technology... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2017 #7

I agree wrt guns, they are different than cars, ExciteBike66 Jul 2017 #9

re: "...perhaps a malfunctioning driverless car could just have a set speed limit that is low..." discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2017 #11

I think we are getting out of hand here. ExciteBike66 Jul 2017 #17

I agree about the thread taking a tangent discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2017 #20

I do accept automated control over cars, sure. ExciteBike66 Jul 2017 #22

re: "...no need to allow the driver to exceed the speed limit." discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2017 #24

I agree in part ExciteBike66 Jul 2017 #25

Side benefits (to autonomous cars) would be... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2017 #26

I understand the reasoning but bluecollar2 Jul 2017 #2

I don't know, ExciteBike66 Jul 2017 #3

I prefer to be driving away from the mayhem bluecollar2 Jul 2017 #10

But you are less safe in front of the drunk driver... ExciteBike66 Jul 2017 #18

what part of driving AWAY from a dangerous bluecollar2 Jul 2017 #27

And what part of ExciteBike66 Jul 2017 #28

I'll repeat myself bluecollar2 Jul 2017 #29

I understand you want him behind you, ExciteBike66 Jul 2017 #33

Pardon my intrusion here discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2017 #30

Ok, but ExciteBike66 Jul 2017 #34

I imagine most people... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2017 #36

The discussion is not about sacrificing freedom, ExciteBike66 Jul 2017 #37

Speed limits are an evolving aspect of the motor vehicle code discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2017 #39

I am unfamiliar with the Ultima GT-R, ExciteBike66 Jul 2017 #40

Yes it has seat belts along with a 240 MPH max speed discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2017 #41

A separate post for the gun thing ExciteBike66 Jul 2017 #35

See my embedded replies below discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2017 #38

I agree discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2017 #8

I think there are too many variables presented while driving. justhanginon Jul 2017 #4

Just a question discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2017 #12

That is a damn good question. I was mulling over some possible justhanginon Jul 2017 #13

Einstein was pretty big on thought experiments discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2017 #14

It seems to me that when you got to full on autonomy you really lose justhanginon Jul 2017 #15

re: "I've been retired for almost twenty years..." discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2017 #16

The human "ability" is over-rated... ExciteBike66 Jul 2017 #19

Speed loses much of its value when their is no human moral justhanginon Jul 2017 #21

I don't see it that way at all... ExciteBike66 Jul 2017 #23

I like to move with the speed of the traffic. ... spin Jul 2017 #31

Sounds like a safe plan discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2017 #32