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krispos42

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14. Yeah, a door frame is mostly hollow
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 10:14 PM
Jul 2017

It's essential a sheetmetal frame with a few reinforcing, structural beams inside. There are some other hard spots besides the beams: the hinge area, the lock area, the power window mechanism. And of course there's sound-deadening insulation, weatherstripping, and some wiring harnesses. If a bullet hits something solid it will either deflect (with deformation) or simply splatter. But if a bullet will penetrate 12-16 inches of meat (which is what tactical, expanding ammuntion is designed to do) then a combined eighth of an inch of soft steel won't stop it.

Understand it will rob the bullet of energy, and will make the bullet expand. Both of these will reduce penetration is whatever is past the door. I'd rather be hit by an already-expanded, reduced-speed bullet than the alternative, given a choice.

Cars today are "built like tanks" with respect to collisions with other large objects; there's a video of a 2009 Chevy Malibu in a collusion test with a '59 Chevy Bel Air that makes the tanklike aspect of the passenger compartment of the modern car abundantly clear.



But being able to stop a bullet, which focuses all of its energy very quickly on a very small area is different from having two big, broad cars collide.

This page might be useful... a guy experiments with the protection a mid-to-late 80's Buick door would give.

He puts some posterboard behind the car door to see what would happen with the bullets after they penetrated. The bullets do penetrate, but they are also seriously deflected, spinning and tumbling and slowing down.

https://www.theboxotruth.com/the-buick-o-truth-3-pistols-and-car-doors/

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In the recent police shooting in Minneapolis [View all] question everything Jul 2017 OP
The only protection that rolled sheet steel and/or figerglas offer Warpy Jul 2017 #1
Depends PoorMonger Jul 2017 #2
Doors are just sheet metal attached to structural members that gives the door... PoliticAverse Jul 2017 #3
Just enough metal to hold the paint. ManiacJoe Jul 2017 #15
she was talking to the driver KT2000 Jul 2017 #4
The window was open, I guess... CozyMystery Jul 2017 #9
It appears the story has changed recently Lokilooney Jul 2017 #18
Yes, this is why she was shot in the abdomen question everything Jul 2017 #10
Moral: Do not, under any circumstances, dial 911. Binkie The Clown Jul 2017 #5
Or, I compare it to traffic stop. Stay in place question everything Jul 2017 #11
In general, a police car door is not bullet proof. Lurks Often Jul 2017 #6
I believe the NYPD is still just doing a trial of those options... PoliticAverse Jul 2017 #7
In the past years, several police departments got excess cars from the army question everything Jul 2017 #13
Yes, easily discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2017 #8
No, it was through the door. This is how she was shot in the abdomen question everything Jul 2017 #12
Yeah, a door frame is mostly hollow krispos42 Jul 2017 #14
Shot through the open window, but yes - harder with window down, and depends on the ammo. jmg257 Jul 2017 #16
A few patrol cars do have Kevlar epoxied inside the outer sheet metal. SQUEE Jul 2017 #17
Even .380 FMJ will penetrate a car door. pablo_marmol Jul 2017 #19
It's the difference between "cover" and "concealment." Straw Man Jul 2017 #20
Quite true discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2017 #21
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