Gun Control & RKBA

gejohnston

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31. Just a few things

Wed Apr 5, 2017, 09:46 PM

Apr 2017

Background checks: Make them mandatory. In this age of computers and smartphones there should be a way to do this. We should then make the original owner partially responsible if he/she did not do the background check and the gun is used in a crime. There are some laws on the books already that just aren't being enforced and they should be.

I'm guessing you are talking about private sales? Current federal law prohibits anyone other than a LEO or licensed dealer from trying. How about making it available to the general public? I would like at least to be able to type in someone's DL info and get the simple "deny" or "proceed". I honestly think if the government would simply make it available, people would use it. Since we are talking about intrastate sales, a federal law would violate the Commerce Clause, so there is that.

If the background check can't be completed in the three days time (or whatever it is) the gun shouldn't be handed over until it's complete, but there should also be some sort of control over backlogging cases. Everything in moderation.

Under current law, if the NICS center have an "oh shit" moment after three days, they send the ATF to get your address from the dealer and go looking for you. In Roof's case, they had a couple of months. If anything, I would expand it to five days. Personally, I never had a problem.

As for open carry, I agree with the Pinellas County Sherriff with his opposition to legalizing it in Florida. In a bad situation, you would have a "shoot me first" sign.

Like your husband, I also grew up with guns. I had my own rifle, knew where the ammo was, but never thought of loading it in the house. We never kept them loaded. When my older brothers were cops, they unloaded their revolvers at the door before doing anything else.

Not a fan of trophy hunters either.

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In November my home state of PA went Red [View all] discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2017 OP

Your concern is noted. n/t Scoopster Apr 2017 #1

Your guns aren't that powerful. Warpy Apr 2017 #2

re: "They won't turn you into a mighty army against tyranny" discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2017 #16

That is ALL that mattered in Western PA ebbie15644 Apr 2017 #3

The map discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2017 #17

My husband owns a lot of guns radical noodle Apr 2017 #4

how does he define "common sense"? gejohnston Apr 2017 #12

We've talked about a lot of possibilities.. radical noodle Apr 2017 #14

You need to be a bit more specific discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2017 #18

I am not into writing law that is specific and also will be constitutional radical noodle Apr 2017 #25

Just a few things gejohnston Apr 2017 #31

Sounds like we agree on some things radical noodle Apr 2017 #32

A case in point. Straw Man Apr 2017 #40

We have had gun control since the founding gejohnston Apr 2017 #24

How would you feel about getting a gun license radical noodle Apr 2017 #30

You mean what a FOID is in Illinois? gejohnston Apr 2017 #34

I'm not familiar with Illinois gun laws radical noodle Apr 2017 #37

"Even one is too many" wincest Apr 2017 #60

They might, but they will not. oneshooter Apr 2017 #61

government and gun safety, there's oxymoron discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2017 #62

Remember, only the Police and other Law Enforcement are trained well enough to carry firearms. n/t oneshooter Apr 2017 #63

do you mean folks like agent horiuchi? n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2017 #65

"Remember, only the Police and other Law Enforcement are trained well enough to carry firearms." wincest Apr 2017 #66

when seconds count.... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2017 #67

What you are describing is my Florida Concealed Weaons Permit. ... spin Apr 2017 #43

"He would even go for treating the military style rifles the way machine guns are regulated." wincest Apr 2017 #64

Post removed Post removed Apr 2017 #56

I rode the bus to knock on doors for Hillary HoneyBadger Apr 2017 #5

Just a coincidence Lithos Apr 2017 #6

"GOTV effort" discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2017 #19

She lost PA not from the Rural Dems Lithos Apr 2017 #23

When I knocked on over 100 doors a day, there were zero admitted Trump voters HoneyBadger Apr 2017 #29

We were sent to only Democratic households to try to GOTV radical noodle Apr 2017 #33

Yes, Dem area outside Philly HoneyBadger Apr 2017 #35

Exactly krispos42 May 2017 #109

PBS Doc. Snackshack Apr 2017 #7

++ I saw that doc last night lunasun Apr 2017 #10

Do you have any suggestions? discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2017 #20

Nothing that has not already Snackshack Apr 2017 #50

Revocation of the right of ownership if convicted of a crime or declared mentally compromised gejohnston Apr 2017 #51

I do not confuse... Snackshack Apr 2017 #52

"It should not be deliverable to the front door." Why not? It seems to work well in Canada. friendly_iconoclast Apr 2017 #53

just a few things gejohnston Apr 2017 #54

Let's look at your 1st #'d paragrph: yagotme Apr 2017 #55

We just moved to Pa. from Florida HockeyMom Apr 2017 #8

I believe Monroe voted HRC discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2017 #21

Now I know who to blame gejohnston Apr 2017 #36

I voted in my first presidential election in 1972 at the ripe dae Apr 2017 #9

Yep same bs line for a long time lunasun Apr 2017 #11

I think changing that perception would serve us well n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2017 #22

I thought Obama already took all thier guns away during his regime lunasun Apr 2017 #13

It goes back at least to the Kennedy's but yeah Obama scared them dae Apr 2017 #15

He did. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #27

Not that there wasn't talk of more legislation and... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2017 #75

A massive amount of assumption here. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #26

The converse requires the same discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2017 #46

I am a poll worker in one of those rural counties. Guns had nothing to do with what happened. appleannie1943 Apr 2017 #28

Philly and Pittsburgh, with Alabama in between Freddie Apr 2017 #38

I am north of the Burgh. appleannie1943 Apr 2017 #41

re: "Guns had nothing to do with what happened." discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2017 #47

The main issue in my county was jobs and health. Period. appleannie1943 Apr 2017 #48

2 issues cost votes Alea Apr 2017 #39

All the thugs in my area were more concerned with health care. They eat, sleep and drink FOX. appleannie1943 Apr 2017 #42

I agree and Alea Apr 2017 #45

Sometimes I think there are those who want to... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2017 #49

It's lost the whole South...it's time we faced the music, people like keeping ileus Apr 2017 #44

Freedom is the natural state of people. It's a biological imperative discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2017 #73

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that dishonesty on the gun violence pablo_marmol Apr 2017 #57

The fight is not against pro-regulation; it's against denial. discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2017 #74

I have to say Alea Apr 2017 #58

Not at all discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2017 #59

Let me interrupt this smug little Democrat-slagging thread for a moment.... Paladin Apr 2017 #68

smug little Democrat-slagging thread? Alea Apr 2017 #69

Feel free; stop back anytime; everyone's welcome discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2017 #70

Happy interrupting. Straw Man Apr 2017 #71

Democrats that help put Republicans in office *should* be slagged. Repeatedly, and with great vigor friendly_iconoclast Apr 2017 #72

I know --I listen to many in WI -gun talk and fear of taking guns away DOES count as a riversedge Apr 2017 #76

It is one of those issues that exist as divides between urban and rural discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2017 #78

The writting is on the wall randr Apr 2017 #77

Dissent is certainly welcome discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2017 #81

I also own guns and I abhor the NRA randr Apr 2017 #91

We can debate many statistics... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2017 #96

There is no debate randr Apr 2017 #97

Well I do respect your opinion discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2017 #99

Part of your statement, yagotme Apr 2017 #105

Damn polls always messin with facts randr Apr 2017 #106

Yep, sometimes they do. nt yagotme Apr 2017 #107

Do you then sarisataka Apr 2017 #108

Fears over gun control is a major reason Al Gore lost Tennessee, cheapdate Apr 2017 #79

I think you are right, my dem daughter and her dem AJT Apr 2017 #80

I know there is a lot for city folk and country folk to learn from each other. discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2017 #82

We had 8 years of a President who gun hobbyists were SURE was going to take all Squinch Apr 2017 #83

I'm only saying... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2017 #84

He spent 8 years hoping a new AWB would pass Congress. krispos42 May 2017 #110

Some folks take published words seriously discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2017 #111

Correlation is not causation. Eko Apr 2017 #85

"...stricter gun laws." discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2017 #86

Same poll. Eko Apr 2017 #87

Well a number of states have an AWB discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2017 #88

And,,,,,,,,, Eko Apr 2017 #89

I didn't say a third stayed home b/c of they disagreed on guns discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2017 #92

What? Eko Apr 2017 #94

I'm saying there are a number of Democrats in rural PA discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2017 #101

I live in rural PA. Eko Apr 2017 #102

I work in rural PA, Somerset County discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2017 #103

I dont hate a style of gun. Eko Apr 2017 #90

FYI, I don't own an AR discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2017 #93

I do too. Eko Apr 2017 #95

Respect and you're welcome discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2017 #98

Have a good dinner. Eko Apr 2017 #100

It was great, thanks discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2017 #104