Gun Control & RKBA

discntnt_irny_srcsm

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53. One point at a time

Reply to zipplewrath (Reply #50)

Wed Jan 11, 2017, 04:57 PM

Jan 2017

Get rid of all weapons capable of holding more than about 3 rounds.

If you're really expecting that to happen sooner than never and not at all, you're terribly naive.

Severely restrict who can obtain one at all.

Several states have constitutions echoing the personal right of self-defense and the conjunction of the 2A and 10A in the federal give the same result. I don't know of almost anyone who would deny a right of self-defense which really ought to include rights to the most efficacious tool for the job.

Change liability laws to hold people personally responsible for their weapons, including how they are stored.

I thought, perhaps incorrectly, that gun owners now have liability for injuries and damage they cause.

Oh, and most of this will require that the 2nd be extensively modified if not repealed.

I should mention here that it is my considered opinion that changing of eliminating any of the Bill of Rights is tantamount to forming a new country. (I think you may need an incredible number of guns to make that happen.)

And that will require that we have a major change in our cultural attitude about the value and utility of violence as a primary solution to conflict.

If you believe that laws will affect a change in collective "cultural attitude", I have a bridge to sell you.

I will point out lastly that 3 rounds will be a tremendous handicap to the police and military.

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What's wrong with gun-"control"? [View all] discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2016 OP

If you don't support a federal ban on asssault weapons you should be a republican bowens43 Dec 2016 #1

What about sarisataka Dec 2016 #3

Kirk lost. Illinois won. eom guillaumeb Jan 2017 #51

That doesn't change the fact sarisataka Jan 2017 #55

For some voters, unfortunately, there is only one issue. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #56

Single issue focus leads to sarisataka Jan 2017 #57

And it would help if certain Democratic politicians, Joe Manchin comes to mind, guillaumeb Jan 2017 #58

No, they don't ... In fact, quite the opposite DaleFromWPB Dec 2016 #4

ITA! 50 Shades Of Blue Dec 2016 #6

Any evidence for that "OVERWHELMINGLY" claim? n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2016 #7

Why? Do you know someone who was killed with hand grip? n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2016 #8

Goooooooong! ileus Dec 2016 #9

I miss that show discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2016 #10

I have enjoyed target shooting for years. ... spin Dec 2016 #11

If these people were once were Democrats but now are republicants Union Label Jan 2017 #23

Would you like them to become Democrats? discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2017 #24

Some posters here, yagotme Jan 2017 #25

It's a good thing you're not the arbiter of who is and is not a Democrat. Abq_Sarah Dec 2016 #15

I couldn't have said it better discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2017 #17

If you can't rebut this info., you're saying that you have to be a moron to be a Democrat. pablo_marmol Jan 2017 #34

Good point. Republcians always ignore the will of the people (ntxt) scscholar Jan 2017 #52

Americans DO NOT overwhelmingly support an AWB. aikoaiko Jan 2017 #79

DROP IT!!!!! Now!! DaleFromWPB Dec 2016 #2

My exact point is... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2016 #5

Yes, 2nd the welcome, and let's drop the divisive plank. n/t yagotme Dec 2016 #12

Supporters of "assault weapon" bans would weep uncontrollably........ pablo_marmol Jan 2017 #33

California is out-of-step with Oregon and Washington, and is hurting Democrats nationally. pablo_marmol Jan 2017 #35

May as well ban/register ink. yagotme Jan 2017 #36

Drop the assault weapons ban.... ToolMaker Dec 2016 #13

Two more ideas that make no sense: discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2016 #14

The votes after 12 days discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2017 #16

My guess would be yagotme Jan 2017 #18

Well.... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2017 #19

I was trying to put myself in their shoes, yagotme Jan 2017 #20

You were more amusing than they would likely be. discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2017 #21

Thanks! yagotme Jan 2017 #22

Not nearly enough zipplewrath Jan 2017 #26

Well, we'll have to agree to disagree discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2017 #28

Sorta zipplewrath Jan 2017 #44

The problem is that most "gun-control" laws... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2017 #45

They can work zipplewrath Jan 2017 #46

Actually, gun controls laws don't work gejohnston Jan 2017 #47

Oh, yeah, they do zipplewrath Jan 2017 #48

not on the level that we do gejohnston Jan 2017 #60

Not exactly zipplewrath Jan 2017 #63

no it can't gejohnston Jan 2017 #67

"control" discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2017 #49

Yes zipplewrath Jan 2017 #50

One point at a time discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2017 #53

You left out the last line zipplewrath Jan 2017 #54

I think this cultural change will never happen discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2017 #59

Just about everybody zipplewrath Jan 2017 #62

We, as a country, are far too quick to engage in war discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2017 #64

In conflict zipplewrath Jan 2017 #65

We -- can -- probably -- be accused... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2017 #68

And I rest my case zipplewrath Jan 2017 #81

You do realize that AR-15's and whatnot are common and legal in Canada and Europe, yes? benEzra Jan 2017 #69

I can't even come up with yagotme Jan 2017 #74

What they really need to get off the street are semi auto pistols Warpy Jan 2017 #27

With the exception of single action revolvers... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2017 #29

I own one wheel gun. All the rest are semi-auto. SlimJimmy Jan 2017 #30

I believe the point is, yagotme Jan 2017 #37

That's true, but the semi-auto is more efficient at that process making it more effective, SlimJimmy Jan 2017 #38

Mechanically, yes, yagotme Jan 2017 #39

I suppose, in the very strictest sense, it could be considered a semi-auto. SlimJimmy Jan 2017 #40

Some that want to ban/restrict firearms here, yagotme Jan 2017 #41

some semi autos do, gejohnston Jan 2017 #42

Yes. A good example of that would be the Diamond Back DB9. SlimJimmy Jan 2017 #43

My general definition of a semi-auto is a weapon that automatically loads the next round. SlimJimmy Jan 2017 #72

Your definition, and mine, agree. yagotme Jan 2017 #73

And yet revolvers kill ten or twenty times as many people annually benEzra Jan 2017 #70

A revolver, by its very nature, is more accurate. SlimJimmy Jan 2017 #71

The "no surprise" part is, yagotme Jan 2017 #75

Look up the Diamondback DB9 (9mm) and tell what's not very concealable about it. SlimJimmy Jan 2017 #76

I believe you've misread my reply. yagotme Jan 2017 #77

Completely agree. I think we are both on the same page. SlimJimmy Jan 2017 #78

Would have to handle it, yagotme Jan 2017 #80

"I'm not sure what you're driving at." pablo_marmol Jan 2017 #31

Uh.........yeah right. pablo_marmol Jan 2017 #32

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Don't forget the "armor piercing bullet" ban. yagotme Jan 2017 #66