Gun Control & RKBA

petronius

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20. I would say there are four 'arguments in favor of' or 'reasons for' registration:

Reply to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Original post)

Mon Dec 26, 2016, 12:30 PM

Dec 2016

1) To facilitate removal of firearms from people who become prohibited persons after acquiring a firearm.
2) To increase effectiveness of a UBC requirement.
3) To enable future imposition of taxes or fees on registered property.
4) To facilitate confiscation of items that are subsequently banned.

(Caveat: Personally, I'm weakly negative on registration. I'd consider #1 and maybe #2 a reasonable argument-for registration, with #3 and #4 firmly in the argument-against category...)

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Why registration? What is gained by having a list of guns and owners? [View all] discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2016 OP

When a shooting occurs metroins Dec 2016 #1

Respectfully, you seem to be arguing both sides of the issue (n/t) PJMcK Dec 2016 #5

Is there anything wrong with that? metroins Dec 2016 #28

In manyt cases the police haved a bigger avantage since wwhen you register a gun, the serial # napi21 Dec 2016 #76

The problem is criminals tend to steal guns and not register them Johnathan146 Dec 2016 #11

I think you should be civilly liable for a stolen firearm metroins Dec 2016 #29

Got stats with crimes using stolen guns? rickford66 Dec 2016 #30

It's up to the owner to notify the police if their weapon is stolen. If the owner didn't bother to napi21 Dec 2016 #77

The vehicle v firearm registration analogy is weak for a number of reasons discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2016 #18

That's how it works on TV gejohnston Dec 2016 #22

For some folks... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2016 #62

Why registration? when trump gets ready to take your guns he will have a list. stonecutter357 Dec 2016 #2

Why dodge the question? discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2016 #19

seems legit ! stonecutter357 Dec 2016 #53

Because people fear government intrusion into their lives HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #3

Please see my response #4 below (n/t) PJMcK Dec 2016 #6

Aren't other devices registered? PJMcK Dec 2016 #4

Not all cars are registered Johnathan146 Dec 2016 #12

I have an exception. rickford66 Dec 2016 #31

The title is a bit different Johnathan146 Dec 2016 #37

Without this procedure, I cicn't legally own it. rickford66 Dec 2016 #55

I guess where you live thats the case Johnathan146 Dec 2016 #59

I'm in New York rickford66 Dec 2016 #63

buying a car titled out of state is likely difficult everywhere discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2016 #65

In FL, no registration for "grove trucks" which live on the farm... Eleanors38 Dec 2016 #73

Yes. discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2016 #25

It makes it easier to round up X or Y after being banned. ileus Dec 2016 #7

By the same token... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2016 #26

Trump does not need a list safeinOhio Dec 2016 #8

Most gun owners do not belong to the NRA (n/t) PJMcK Dec 2016 #9

Only 5 million safeinOhio Dec 2016 #10

Sounds about right PJMcK Dec 2016 #13

We can generalize, polls confirm, safeinOhio Dec 2016 #14

Yet, universal infringements failed in Maine... Kang Colby Dec 2016 #70

Military type... Puha Ekapi_2 Dec 2016 #15

No safeinOhio Dec 2016 #16

I own... Puha Ekapi_2 Dec 2016 #17

JFK was a life member n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2016 #79

The NRA didn't become crazy until the late 60s safeinOhio Dec 2016 #81

Not the question discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2016 #27

I would say there are four 'arguments in favor of' or 'reasons for' registration: petronius Dec 2016 #20

Thoughts on those 4 discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2016 #23

I agree with you on 3 and 4 (and those are the reasons that a pro-registration person petronius Dec 2016 #40

re: "There are reasons for becoming prohibited that in no way support probable cause for a search" discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2016 #45

Looking at the federal list of prohibited persons, petronius Dec 2016 #56

I can agree there discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2016 #60

Let's see Uponthegears Dec 2016 #21

straw purchases and racists discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2016 #33

Wow, this is astoundingly misleading. Uponthegears Dec 2016 #38

misleading discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2016 #41

Guns are tools Uponthegears Dec 2016 #47

"...they are the key to maintaining a power they forged on the backs of the enslaved." discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2016 #48

Once or twice a year I will buy small collections. oneshooter Dec 2016 #64

As you said Uponthegears Dec 2016 #66

Registration is addressed in the Florida state statutes. ... spin Dec 2016 #24

I couldn't have said it better discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2016 #35

Exactly. (n/t) spin Dec 2016 #57

Are there still people here MFM008 Dec 2016 #32

Still??? discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2016 #34

Are there still people here pablo_marmol Dec 2016 #36

Are there still people here... Eleanors38 Dec 2016 #54

I'd prefer ID for all bullet sales, with the bullet projectiles laser-etched. Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #39

Ummm... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2016 #42

I can't read your mind. n/t Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #43

I'm speechless that you consider it feasible to... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2016 #46

Why? Incredible amounts of data can be stored and transmitted now. Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #49

I guess but... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2016 #50

I think most shooting deaths are crimes of passion, or not well planned. Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #51

I'm not arguing that the determined and skilled won't find ways around anything discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2016 #58

I prefer to see how forensics experts view it after it is gejohnston Dec 2016 #44

I don't see see the utility in registration, either. Eleanors38 Dec 2016 #52

This is the ONLY use for Registration.. virginia mountainman Dec 2016 #61

I don't think anyone is claiming Uponthegears Dec 2016 #67

I don't think he is claiming yagotme Dec 2016 #68

Don't want to shock y'all Uponthegears Dec 2016 #69

Massachusetts not Maryland. n/t Kang Colby Dec 2016 #71

Thanks. Knew it started with an "M". yagotme Dec 2016 #72

This thread is an example of a reasoned, respectul discussion. Congrats all! Eleanors38 Dec 2016 #74

The reason I can see is to make UBC more effective, and so cut down on straw purchases. jmg257 Dec 2016 #75

How would it cut down on straw purchases? discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2016 #80

False Comparison Fallacy J_William_Ryan Dec 2016 #78