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Gun Control & RKBA
In reply to the discussion: An objective of the RKBA [View all]discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,692 posts)10. The only question in your reply (post #7):
        Why do you want them disenfranchised?
My answer: "I don't."
It is time for you to shift it into neutral because you missed the point of the OP.
In case you'd like help with that -
A- Excessive limits on the RKBA are not in general steps toward tyranny.
I say this because many governments place limits, some of which are excessive, on their people's RKBA. This doesn't mean such countries have tyranny. While tyranny will usually enforce severe limits on arms, the limits do not innately bring tyranny.
B- Rather it is the maintaining of said rights and freedoms which demonstrate that tyranny is absent.
I say this because, as I said above, "While tyranny will usually enforce severe limits on arms, the limits do not innately bring tyranny." I value a government making the effort to demonstrate it being subject to the people rather than the reverse.
My final musing is my own inference of a thought of the Founders. They instituted a form of government respectful of the pre-existing state governments and of the people in general. In reading the 10th Amendment: (The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.) acknowledges that relationship. The vote in local, state and federal matters and elections is another demonstration of the effort to trust the people. I can in specific see voting rights being removed for certain acts but not for crimes in general. I think some states impose that but I'm not sure. Once again, I'm against it. I didn't reference prisoners. I can see why you drew the conclusion you did but I don't have an interest in seeing political limitations enforced on those in jails and prisons.
Here's a rephrase you can use: The vote is a demonstration of the trust government places in the hands of the people as is the RKBA.
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        I agree that the RKBA is an implicit statement of trust in the citizenry, unique in
        Eleanors38
        Oct 2016
        #1
      
        
        Do you trust him to carry a gun? Trust him enough not to demand the government prevent him...
        Marengo
        Oct 2016
        #33
      
        
        Why don't you trust Beevul to carry a gun? What has he done to earn your distrust?
        Marengo
        Oct 2016
        #35
      
        
        Am I to assume that fundamentally you distrust anyone with firearms? Other than to say...
        Marengo
        Oct 2016
        #42
      
        
        I didn't ask who you don't trust, rather who you do trust with firearms. Can you answer?
        Marengo
        Oct 2016
        #26
      
        
        You appear to be dodging as my question stands on it's own. Why can't you answer?
        Marengo
        Oct 2016
        #30
      
        
        The OP doesn't advocate disenfranchising folks who CAN be trusted with guns.
        stone space
        Oct 2016
        #38
      
        
        As you are the bottleneck here, not me, that's pretty much out of my hands.
        stone space
        Oct 2016
        #44
      
        
        How does Beevul fall into the same intersection as Zimmerman? What similarities are there?
        Marengo
        Oct 2016
        #46
      
        
        Do you, or do you not, trust Beevul with guns. Do you, or do you not, trust Zimmerman with guns?
        Marengo
        Oct 2016
        #50
      
        
        I'm not quite sure what to make of your apparent difficulty following your own train of thought.
        Marengo
        Oct 2016
        #66
      
        
        Are there any character or trait based intersections between the two within your set?
        Marengo
        Oct 2016
        #68
      
        
        Actually, I'll leave it you to make the determination who is a member of your set
        discntnt_irny_srcsm
        Oct 2016
        #60
      
        
        Why are you so reluctant to answer? It's very odd, as if you are fearful to answer. You must have...
        Marengo
        Oct 2016
        #72
      
        
        Why won't you answer the question? If not out of fear, than why the reluctance?
        Marengo
        Oct 2016
        #80
      
        
        Why won't you answer the question? What am I to assume is the reason for your reluctance to do so?
        Marengo
        Oct 2016
        #90
      
        
        What metrics, in general terms, do you base a belief someone is not to be trusted...
        Marengo
        Oct 2016
        #45
      
        
        Where did you run off to? Lots of pending questions here, crickets are gathering.
        Marengo
        Oct 2016
        #100
      
        
        I've been engaging him under the assumption he was participating in good faith. Perhaps...
        Marengo
        Oct 2016
        #95
      
        
        5+ irrelevant flame bait threads locked in a few days and our genial host is reaching his limits
        DonP
        Oct 2016
        #96
      
        
        I'm talking about disenfranchised inmates who neither of us trust to have AR-15s in their cells.
        stone space
        Oct 2016
        #7
      
        
        Too short. You don't what? Don't trust them with votes, or don't stand by your OP?
        stone space
        Oct 2016
        #9
      
        
        I said YOU could use it because you seem to be the one with a problem understanding
        discntnt_irny_srcsm
        Oct 2016
        #19
      
        
        The OP openly and directly advocates disenfranchisement of anybody too dangerous to have guns.
        stone space
        Oct 2016
        #22
      
        
        Gunhumping is kind of like chairhumping, but with a gun instead of a chair.
        stone space
        Oct 2016
        #29
      
  