Gun Control & RKBA

Nuclear Unicorn

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46. Rights cannot be turned into a privilege; they can either be recognized or violated.

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 07:58 AM

Jul 2016

You're asking me to accept the violation of my rights based on the crimes of others to which I am not a party.

My right to self defense is absolute. It only becomes forfeit if I -- not someone else -- violate the rights of another. The means for realizing my rights are immaterial.

You may find this overly restricting to your agenda but anything less and all of of rights will be weakened.

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What is the number? [View all] DetlefK Jul 2016 OP

Only if your serious. JonathanRackham Jul 2016 #1

Do you feel the same about alcohol Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #2

Im sure you will get accused of dodging the question Travis_0004 Jul 2016 #3

Don't forget about banning shadowrider Jul 2016 #4

We know it really is not about saving lives Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #7

Okay... Then imagine if the 2nd Amendment included the right to use pools and cars. DetlefK Jul 2016 #10

Children can use a pool without adult supervision Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #13

Only a good-guy-with-a-beer can stop a bad-guy-with-a-beer. DetlefK Jul 2016 #8

So, all those wrecks where people are killed or maimed by drunk drivers Waldorf Jul 2016 #9

The US decided long ago that gun-deaths and alcohol-deaths don't count. DetlefK Jul 2016 #12

So just like alcohol Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #16

You know what's funny about that? DetlefK Jul 2016 #17

Not really funny Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #18

What's worse is how big an impact illegal marijuana & other drugs have on gun violence jmg257 Jul 2016 #23

"I can assure you............." pablo_marmol Jul 2016 #24

Lets see. When I bought some wine the other day, I just plunked down some cash or swiped my debit Waldorf Jul 2016 #40

Tell that to the tens of thousands killed by drunk drivers Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #15

Numbers. DetlefK Jul 2016 #19

Just like guns. hack89 Jul 2016 #21

I'm staying PROGRESSIVE on ALL my RIGHTS. ileus Jul 2016 #5

My second amendment rights, Oneka Jul 2016 #6

Well said citood Jul 2016 #28

Thank you. Oneka Jul 2016 #38

Brutus 2... jmg257 Jul 2016 #39

Why should I give up a civil liberty ... virginia mountainman Jul 2016 #11

So... I take that your answer is "infinity"? DetlefK Jul 2016 #14

If all other means are tried and fail then I would consider it hack89 Jul 2016 #22

I have never.... Puha Ekapi Jul 2016 #27

I have not harmed anyone.. virginia mountainman Jul 2016 #31

Those are not YOUR rights. Those are everybody's rights. DetlefK Jul 2016 #43

Unless he isn't incuded in "everybody"... beevul Jul 2016 #50

Would your respose be different if it was, say, the 4th Amendment? krispos42 Jul 2016 #36

If everything that can be done is being done to remove the threat from the less then 1% jmg257 Jul 2016 #20

Exactly citood Jul 2016 #29

I wonder of what % of a decrease in gun violence would be acceptable to jmg257 Jul 2016 #30

Less than 200 deaths a year nationwide isn't low enough for the fundamentalists. benEzra Jul 2016 #42

I'm not against the 2nd Amendment per se. DetlefK Jul 2016 #44

Understood...would a 50-70% decrease be acceptable? jmg257 Jul 2016 #48

Silly question. pablo_marmol Jul 2016 #25

If wikipedia is correct, 7,400,000,000 discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2016 #26

None of the above. nt Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #32

One. sarisataka Jul 2016 #33

Nicely done. I would also add that if I ever decide to kill myself, my choice to do so jmg257 Jul 2016 #34

Step one: make firearm ownership a priviledge, not a right. krispos42 Jul 2016 #35

What do those gun deaths have to do with me? beevul Jul 2016 #37

How many crimes should an innocent person be charged with? Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2016 #41

You totally misread my OP. DetlefK Jul 2016 #45

Rights cannot be turned into a privilege; they can either be recognized or violated. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2016 #46

I am not asking you to accept anything. I am asking for you to make an active decision. DetlefK Jul 2016 #47

I cannot surrender a right on behalf of others. Rights are inextricably linked to our natural being. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2016 #49

"If the 2nd Amendment right can be identified as the cause of gun-violence..." beevul Jul 2016 #51