Gun Control & RKBA

Straw Man

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38. C'mon now ...

Sat May 28, 2016, 09:25 PM

May 2016

The problem with that logic

Is that it means that people would still be getting shot if there were no guns.

... you can do better than that. It means nothing of the kind. Your leaps into the realm of the absurd are stunning.

It means that without guns, plenty of people could and would still be violently victimized. You wouldn't be doing a thing to address that.

Let's imagine for a moment that you could pass legislation banning private ownership of firearms in the US. When you're all done with the buybacks and the turn-'em-ins and the like, who's still going to have firearms? Cops and criminals. If that thought makes you feel all warm and fuzzy, then perhaps you're not as progressive as you think you are.

It's not just guns or just Americans. But together you get 300,000 people shot dead in a decade.

200,000 of those are suicides. If you think that guns promote suicide, check out the comparative suicide rates for the US and Japan, the gun-controllers dream society.

And obviously if you remove all guns the number of people killed by guns will... Drop dramatically.

A pointless tautology.

Half ass gun control doesn't work either. Either accept thousands of dead kids a year or get rid of guns.

False dichotomy: much could be done through safety training, which most of your ilk oppose because it "legitimizes" gun ownership. The perfect is the enemy of the good, especially when it is unattainable.

Good luck.

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It's simple EdwardBernays May 2016 #4

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No EdwardBernays May 2016 #6

Logical...? theatre goon May 2016 #13

Logical? Straw Man May 2016 #34

The problem with that logic EdwardBernays May 2016 #35

C'mon now ... Straw Man May 2016 #38

people would get shot with bows and crossbows, gejohnston May 2016 #39

Where did you get the strange idea that a law would stop a crime? discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2016 #8

Check the OP EdwardBernays May 2016 #11

The fault lies in the assumptions discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2016 #18

Your premise is flawed sarisataka May 2016 #9

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it is called sarcasm, gejohnston May 2016 #40

No? EdwardBernays May 2016 #41

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not a problem beergood May 2016 #47

no it isn't gejohnston May 2016 #12

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not all, gejohnston May 2016 #19

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that has been established in criminology for 130 years, at least. gejohnston May 2016 #37

I do agree that some gunowners are lawless criminals TeddyR May 2016 #15

And theres your problem in a nutshell. beevul May 2016 #17

No, most gun control laws are in a special class known as crap. Kang Colby May 2016 #20

Nonsense EdwardBernays May 2016 #24

Thats a ridiculous assertion. beevul May 2016 #26

it's obviously not. EdwardBernays May 2016 #29

no country has has gun crime like America? gejohnston May 2016 #31

Thats not a standard... beevul May 2016 #43

Whoa dude...is that Piers Morgan? n/t Kang Colby May 2016 #45

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Here's the thing EdwardBernays May 2016 #52

Another ridiculous assertion. beevul May 2016 #57

The moment EdwardBernays May 2016 #59

hand grenades are not illegal gejohnston May 2016 #61

Right. beevul May 2016 #62

says who? gejohnston May 2016 #27

All emotion. No facts. Kang Colby May 2016 #49

If so few are capable of governing themselves how fewer still are capable of governing others? Nuclear Unicorn May 2016 #53

??? EdwardBernays May 2016 #54

You're the one claiming people can't be trusted to govern themselves. Nuclear Unicorn May 2016 #55

You've misunderstood EdwardBernays May 2016 #56

Nobody has misunderstood. beevul May 2016 #58

No EdwardBernays May 2016 #60

Lets get something strait here... beevul May 2016 #63

I also see a daily report of police excesses. What's a unicorn to think now? Nuclear Unicorn May 2016 #65

whats wrong with that? beergood May 2016 #64

One of the dumbest memes of all times. marble falls May 2016 #2

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if we didn't have a gang problem, gejohnston May 2016 #30

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The errors and omissions discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2016 #23

Before you start you'all-ing sarisataka May 2016 #32

Thanks for sharing. Kang Colby May 2016 #33

The whole point of control is to hammer on legal gun owners. ileus May 2016 #14

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