Gun Control & RKBA

gejohnston

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10. what neither of those bloggers mention

Reply to Human101948 (Reply #8)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 04:54 PM

Mar 2016

is that Kleck's work verified fifteen previous studies and has been verified since by other researchers, all of whom published their work in peer review criminology journals. Kleck isn't "pro gun" he is simply a researcher who found what he found and let the facts speak for themselves.

It may sound reassuring, but is utterly false. In fact, gun owners are far more likely to end up like Theodore Wafer or Eusebio Christian, accidentally shooting an innocent person or seeing their weapons harm a family member, than be heroes warding off criminals.

argument by assertion, a logical fallacy. He makes the claim to "debunk" an award winning and accepted study, in the criminology community, with a claim with no evidence. Pretty pretentious to call your blog "armed with reason" while using pretty shitty logic.

the previous post in scienceblogs is one long red herring and ad hominem, and not even relevant to Kleck. Kleck and Lott might agree on defensive gun uses and the absurdity of gun free zones, but that's it. It sounds like the guy at scienceblogs confuses politics with science or has a case of Dunning Kruger.

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Already posted Human101948 Mar 2016 #1

Thanks TeddyR Mar 2016 #3

It was canned in that other forum because it showed the Second in a good light.NT Eleanors38 Mar 2016 #28

Don't take a hatchet to a gun fight. NaturalHigh Mar 2016 #2

Is anybody keeping score? Nitram Mar 2016 #4

Thats the "shots fired/body count fallacy". beevul Mar 2016 #5

Nah, Gun Owner Shaming is the only objective, not reality DonP Mar 2016 #6

You loves your own myths... Human101948 Mar 2016 #8

what neither of those bloggers mention gejohnston Mar 2016 #10

The man is a fraud...there are no believable peer reviews... Human101948 Mar 2016 #11

I wasn't talking about Lott gejohnston Mar 2016 #12

It's easy to dismiss Lott's work... Human101948 Mar 2016 #13

...but not at all easy to dismiss Kleck's. I take it that's why you're focusing on Lott? friendly_iconoclast Mar 2016 #15

I doubt you read the study gejohnston Mar 2016 #18

+1. Eliding inconvenient facts is stock-in-trade for gun control advocates friendly_iconoclast Mar 2016 #14

Kleck sounds like a fraud as well... Human101948 Mar 2016 #16

According to an economist and an investment banker: friendly_iconoclast Mar 2016 #17

read Kleck's study gejohnston Mar 2016 #19

Only if Mother Jones reads it and somebody drafts a Cliff's Notes version DonP Mar 2016 #20

I doubt our interlocutor will be replying- chronic factose intolerance again... friendly_iconoclast Mar 2016 #21

They have their "Facts" and they cling to them like Gospel DonP Mar 2016 #22

Haha! Very clever! Human101948 Mar 2016 #26

You're the one that abandoned your declared academic standards when it suited you friendly_iconoclast Mar 2016 #29

Hard to reply to someone who knows it all... Human101948 Mar 2016 #25

Don't claim to know it all, just more than you DonP Mar 2016 #27

Nothing wrong with counting. Try it. nm Eleanors38 Mar 2016 #7

We don't need no stinkin' facts! Nitram Mar 2016 #9

Stupid hurts. ileus Mar 2016 #23

Is carrying a hatchet legal? discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2016 #24

Sure it is legal. ManiacJoe Mar 2016 #30