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In reply to the discussion: Bloomberg gun-safety group has a new target: Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe [View all]virginia mountainman
(5,046 posts)7. Actually no...
The funny thing is, gun control gets more out of this deal. CCW reciprocity stays essentially the same but now they will get state law prohibiting abusers from ever owning firearms and the option for back ground checks is expanded. Seems a good deal to me.
Abusers were already "federally prohibited" from possession of a firearm, so they made it "doubly illegal". That is one odd thing about gun control advocates, they seem to demand laws to make, things that already already illegal, illegal again, that sort of advocacy simply proves how little they know about the subject at hand.
In truth, in all it was a WIN for gun rights advocates. We are not just back at status quo, but now Virginia will automatically enter into CCW reciprocity agreements with other states, the Attorney General, just lost any say in the matter. Because of this Virginia permits will soon be honored by Georgia, Colorado and another state (I can't remember right off hand)
As for the State Trooper at the gun show? I think it's a great idea, they will be doing background checks correctly, simply running the purchaser, and telling the seller the result, they WILL NOT, and I REPEAT will NOT, be filing federal form 4473's, nor taking down any gun information in the transaction, it is only a "he passed" or "he failed" transaction . IMHO this is the way these transactions should go down. And they will not be mandated.
What really has transpired is all the "gun control" lip service that the governor has been putting out since before last November's election, one in which he made gun control a central theme if you remember, with several millions of Bloomberg's money, crowing about how he was going to win and pass gun control.
Just a reminder: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/did-gun-control-cost-mcauliffe-and-democrats-the-virginia-election/2015/11/04/fa5dfdfa-830d-11e5-9afb-0c971f713d0c_story.html
When Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe and his fellow Democrats study what went wrong for them in Tuesdays crucial legislative elections, one possible mistake stands out: Their aggressive advocacy of gun control in a pivotal Senate race in the Richmond area may have backfired by producing a pro-Republican backlash.
McAuliffe had to pay back his Billionaire master so he does everything he can after his election losses. He just did not count on several things happening, when he pulled reciprocity:
1. It became a HUGE issue in the state, and NEIGHBORING states as well, with letters coming from other capitals demanding to know "what changed", and "why does not Virginia honor its agreements". Pressure was brought to bear not only in Richmond, but other state capitals as well, I was told that this caused lots of "uncomfortable" phone calls and letters flying back and forth.
2. On lobby day in Richmond a couple of weeks ago, almost 1,500 gun rights advocates packed the halls of the Virginia legislature, demanding answers, and promising support. I see in the news that Bloomberg's group just delivered 3,000 signatures on a piece of paper...LOL!!!!
3. This was rapidly becoming "THE" Issue in Virginia, it was completely sucking up all his political capital.
4. There was bipartisan agreements, legislation was being introduced, and most importantly a veto proof coalition forming up to undo it all, and also give Virginia permitless CCW. (this was the real reason for him completely caving, he saw the writing starting to go up on the wall, and saw many Democratic defections away from him on this issue.) He was going to be known as the governor that "poked the bear, only to lose it all too the bear". Just the other day their was "ONE" defection in the Virginia legislature that killed permitless CCW... If I were a betting man, I would bet money that this was part of the "deal" struck.
This is what really went down, and most of the in's and out's of the agreement.... In the end, it is a pro gun agreement.... We really lost nothing (made things double illegal, if you get your permit pulled in VA, no other state is going to give you one anyway), gained something (automatic honoring of any state's CCW), people that get restraining orders can use it as a defacto CCW permit(provided that they can legally possess the gun themselves) and caused McAuliffe too eat his bloomberg money.
O, I almost forgot, enraged Bloomberg, and his minions too the point of silliness! That is ALWAYS a good thing!

I wonder if the party elites watched anything of this complete "gun control" debacle? I wonder what effect this will have for the presidential election?
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Bloomberg gun-safety group has a new target: Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe [View all]
sarisataka
Feb 2016
OP
He/she probably had a bad day yesterday. Reports of record gun sales for January
Waldorf
Feb 2016
#8
Wait. It was being called a victory in compromise the other week. What happened?
Nuclear Unicorn
Feb 2016
#6