Gun Control & RKBA
In reply to the discussion: Father and son dead, 2 wounded after shootout at gun shop [View all]exboyfil
(18,243 posts)The customer father is able to Facebook so he should be able to be arrested. Some reports indicate the 17 year old fired first.
The reason the case is so interesting is that it will help define the rules of engagement in our new magical armed Utopia.
1. A physical altercation occurred prior to the shooting. By definition the store owner would almost be surely in the right in this case. The customer cannot use force to recover property being held as part of a contract dispute. If the store owner wished the customers to vacate the premises, I believe he would be allowed to use reasonable force to accomplish such an action.
BUT
2. Does the level of physical provocation rise to the point of brandishment of weapons as the store owner did and possibly the store owner's son.
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3. Brandishment represents a potentially lethal situation allowing for the use of lethal force in defense. Customers now draw their weapon(s).
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4. Now self defense is called forth by both parties.
SHOOT OUT
A complication. Can a 17 year old be armed with a handgun even on premises?
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