Gun Control & RKBA

Lizzie Poppet

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31. No, the entire sentence has been correctly interpreted.

Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:24 PM

Jan 2016

Last edited Thu Jan 14, 2016, 12:10 PM - Edit history (1)

Legal findings aside, there is no valid linguistic argument for the "collective right" interpretation of that text. The main clause unequivocally ascribes the right to "the People," and nothing in the preamble restricts that right to any subset of that group. All it does is provide a rationale for the protection accorded in the main clause. Restricting the right to the militia would require a different construction.

As for things like RPGs and a tank's main gun (anyone can own the tank itself), those aren't "arms." They're artillery. Not the same thing. "Arms" at the time of the writing would have been muskets, pistols, swords, etc. The same definition of the term applies today.

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Liability insurance is not an answer [View all] discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2016 OP

Anyone with a basic understanding TeddyR Jan 2016 #1

No rjsquirrel Jan 2016 #5

So how would that work? discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2016 #6

No rjsquirrel Jan 2016 #7

Wouldn't medical insurance cover medical treatment of accidental injuries? n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2016 #8

Yes it would, he's just pushing the gun control insurance meme. eom. GGJohn Jan 2016 #9

Not necessarily rjsquirrel Jan 2016 #10

And since health insurance is already mandated... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2016 #13

Absurd rjsquirrel Jan 2016 #16

What I am saying discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2016 #32

re: "Your car insurance requires you to get your car inspected and registered every year..." discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2016 #33

re: "You are the one reducing it to "medical" expenses." discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2016 #34

re: "Done arguing with people who deny facts that don't suit their ideology." discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2016 #35

Gun control proponents so often target statistically tiny categories. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2016 #41

The list is incredible... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2016 #42

It was nice hearing from you discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2016 #58

Of course that's not the point of gun insurance anyway DonP Jan 2016 #14

If your gun was actually stolen, branford Jan 2016 #43

How much does sarisataka Jan 2016 #12

It fits in with the punish the innocent mindset, 2A regressives are known for. ileus Jan 2016 #2

How is insurance punishment? rjsquirrel Jan 2016 #4

Right because rjsquirrel Jan 2016 #3

What percentage of negligient discharge injuries involve a victim that would not be covered Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #11

"a huge number of gun deaths and accidents result from well intentioned gun owners being careless" Lizzie Poppet Jan 2016 #27

$10,000 penalty if found to not have liability insurance. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #15

How do they find out rjsquirrel Jan 2016 #17

For that to happen, registration would have to be implemented, GGJohn Jan 2016 #18

When you buy a gun you buy rjsquirrel Jan 2016 #19

The difference being that owning a firearm is a right, while driving or owning a vehicle isn't. GGJohn Jan 2016 #20

Oh this again rjsquirrel Jan 2016 #21

Well, considering we outright own our property and home, GGJohn Jan 2016 #22

Debunked rjsquirrel Jan 2016 #23

LOL, shows what you know, GGJohn Jan 2016 #25

He meant your erroneous interpretation of the militia clause has been debunked. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #28

Thank you, that is what I meant. eom. GGJohn Jan 2016 #30

No, the entire sentence has been correctly interpreted. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2016 #31

Making some pro-control folks understand that... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2016 #37

Casuistry rjsquirrel Jan 2016 #51

According to the SCOTUS, the President, the Democratic Party, GGJohn Jan 2016 #55

I'm pretty sure it's only "Settled Law" or "Law of the Land" if they agree with it DonP Jan 2016 #57

R.I.F. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2016 #56

"A clause in the US constitution has not been debunked." beevul Jan 2016 #46

"Just like cars." beevul Jan 2016 #45

If I let my automobile insurance lapse S_B_Jackson Jan 2016 #48

all I can say is Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #50

You can only be checked if you are stopped and you can only be stopped for an underlying reason. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #24

Ideological purity uber alles n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2016 #36

I just wish Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #39

I began this thread as a result of... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2016 #40

Despite their claims, 'X' isn't their goal. beevul Jan 2016 #47

And yet, they seem so comfortable with such blatant dishonesty. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #49

"Fie on ’t, ah fie!" discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2016 #52

But they spew Hemenway and gladly so while none of us spew Nugent. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #53

It's not difficult for me to question what I think before I say it. discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2016 #54

Your certainly might not like it, branford Jan 2016 #44

Let me explain what I think is the pro-control plan discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2016 #26

And a poor tax imposed on a right. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #29

The poor tax would be... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2016 #38