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In reply to the discussion: This message was self-deleted by its author [View all]aikoaiko
(34,212 posts)103. And also consider this -- well-reguluated as an adj modifies militia and not the people.
        Regardless of its meaning, its not about controlling the people's right to keep and bear arms from which a well-regulated militia can be drawn. But see OED entries below; #2 addresses regulated troops.
regulated, adj.
1. Properly controlled, governed, or directed; subject to guidance or regulations. Also: adjusted in response to, or in order to conform to, a principle, standard, set of circumstances, etc.
Freq. with modifying word, as badly-, best-, ill-, well-regulated, etc.
1615 T. Tuke Christians Looking Glasse 70 Hee that loues God truely, and with a well regulated loue will loue God, chiefly for God himselfe.
a1631 J. Donne Serm. (1957) III. 243 How Matrimonially soever such persons as have maried themselves may pretend to love,..yet..all that life is but a regulated Adultery.
1697 J. Woodward Acct. Relig. Societies London in Earnest Admon. Young Persons 142 Those regulated Societies, which are now..conspicuous among us for many good Works.
a1704 T. Brown Ess. Satire Ancients in Wks. (1730) I. 16 These [verses]..had regulated forms, that is regular dances and musick.
1731 tr. Winter Evening Tales xvi. 238 Even in the best regulated families some petty Quarrels will arise.
1766 Compl. Farmer at Surveying, Then may you measure all the whole chains by your regulated chain.
1828 J. M. Spearman Brit. Gunner 336 They are fired with a regulated charge of powder and shot.
1838 Jrnl. Statist. Soc. London 1 358 Many [schools]..are close, filthy, ill-regulated, and the teachers utterly unqualified for either teaching or keeping the children in order.
1897 T. C. Allbutt et al. Syst. Med. IV. 621 Regulated exercises, such as the gentle climbing, especially in mountain districts, known as the terrain cure.
1946 G. Wilson Fidelity Folks 54 He stoutly maintained that a regulated open saloon was to be preferred to the evils of moonshining and boot-legging.
1961 Econ. Bot. 15 357 Contact between the refrigerated plates and packaged product is maintained under regulated pressure.
2008 Daily Mail (Nexis) 8 Oct. 91 We need only to look at banking to see what can happen in a badly regulated industry.
2. Of troops, an army, etc.: properly organized; formally constituted into a professional body. Also fig. and in figurative contexts. Obs. Cf. regular adj. 7.
1650 T. Fuller Pisgah-sight of Palestine iv. iii. 45 Fight they durst not, being a multitude of undisciplin'd people, of all ages and sexes, against a regulated army of their enemies.
1690 London Gaz. No. 2568/3 We hear likewise that the French are in a great Allarm in Dauphine and Bresse, not having at present 1500 Men of regulated Troops on that side.
1714 J. Pointer Chronol. Hist. Eng. II. 461 The Muscovite Army was above 100000 Men, and the Swedes but 20000 Regulated Troops.
1769 J. Brown Dict. Holy Bible II. 487/1 What regulated troops of vigilant, active, and courageous ministers, armed with the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.
1816 J. Aikin Ann. Reign of George III II. 253 On November 15, the Janissaries, who had massacred the principal officers of the regulated troops, scaled the walls of the seraglio.
1. Properly controlled, governed, or directed; subject to guidance or regulations. Also: adjusted in response to, or in order to conform to, a principle, standard, set of circumstances, etc.
Freq. with modifying word, as badly-, best-, ill-, well-regulated, etc.
1615 T. Tuke Christians Looking Glasse 70 Hee that loues God truely, and with a well regulated loue will loue God, chiefly for God himselfe.
a1631 J. Donne Serm. (1957) III. 243 How Matrimonially soever such persons as have maried themselves may pretend to love,..yet..all that life is but a regulated Adultery.
1697 J. Woodward Acct. Relig. Societies London in Earnest Admon. Young Persons 142 Those regulated Societies, which are now..conspicuous among us for many good Works.
a1704 T. Brown Ess. Satire Ancients in Wks. (1730) I. 16 These [verses]..had regulated forms, that is regular dances and musick.
1731 tr. Winter Evening Tales xvi. 238 Even in the best regulated families some petty Quarrels will arise.
1766 Compl. Farmer at Surveying, Then may you measure all the whole chains by your regulated chain.
1828 J. M. Spearman Brit. Gunner 336 They are fired with a regulated charge of powder and shot.
1838 Jrnl. Statist. Soc. London 1 358 Many [schools]..are close, filthy, ill-regulated, and the teachers utterly unqualified for either teaching or keeping the children in order.
1897 T. C. Allbutt et al. Syst. Med. IV. 621 Regulated exercises, such as the gentle climbing, especially in mountain districts, known as the terrain cure.
1946 G. Wilson Fidelity Folks 54 He stoutly maintained that a regulated open saloon was to be preferred to the evils of moonshining and boot-legging.
1961 Econ. Bot. 15 357 Contact between the refrigerated plates and packaged product is maintained under regulated pressure.
2008 Daily Mail (Nexis) 8 Oct. 91 We need only to look at banking to see what can happen in a badly regulated industry.
2. Of troops, an army, etc.: properly organized; formally constituted into a professional body. Also fig. and in figurative contexts. Obs. Cf. regular adj. 7.
1650 T. Fuller Pisgah-sight of Palestine iv. iii. 45 Fight they durst not, being a multitude of undisciplin'd people, of all ages and sexes, against a regulated army of their enemies.
1690 London Gaz. No. 2568/3 We hear likewise that the French are in a great Allarm in Dauphine and Bresse, not having at present 1500 Men of regulated Troops on that side.
1714 J. Pointer Chronol. Hist. Eng. II. 461 The Muscovite Army was above 100000 Men, and the Swedes but 20000 Regulated Troops.
1769 J. Brown Dict. Holy Bible II. 487/1 What regulated troops of vigilant, active, and courageous ministers, armed with the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.
1816 J. Aikin Ann. Reign of George III II. 253 On November 15, the Janissaries, who had massacred the principal officers of the regulated troops, scaled the walls of the seraglio.
								
                                        
                                        
							
								 
								
									
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