Gun Control & RKBA

sarisataka

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18. It's about the guns

Reply to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #14)

Thu Sep 24, 2015, 06:53 PM

Sep 2015

As I stated to one poster about Hemenway's quote of disdain for victims-

His words taken at face value indicate a prejudice against any gun use. Criminals using guns, victims defending themselves and even suicides are all perpetrators of gun violence and not differentiated in any way. Logically such a viewpoint would combine those distinct actions under a single total of gun violence. It would show the core of Gun Control is not about victims but about guns

While I believe this represents the leadership of gun control, Bloomberg, Watts, Sugarman, Hemenway... the attitude of victims simply being pawns is not limited to them.

The one I would notably exclude is Giffords. I believe she has empathy for victims.

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Florida Man Ordered To Surrender His Firearms, Fatally Shoots The Deputy Who Tries To Take Them [View all] SecularMotion Sep 2015 OP

Therefore PROVING without even a SHADOW of Doubt, bobalew Sep 2015 #1

There's nothing more persuasive than an argument with lots of CAPS LOCK... friendly_iconoclast Sep 2015 #12

For many years the right wing has been pushing the idea that guillaumeb Sep 2015 #2

"According to the NRA, the only solution is more guns, correct?" Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #6

Is the ATF also part of the enemy occupying army? eom. guillaumeb Sep 2015 #8

How 'bout a link to this "according to the NRA" thing you mentioned, mmkay? friendly_iconoclast Sep 2015 #9

Just for you: guillaumeb Sep 2015 #10

Nothing like you mentioned in there, 'tho I merely glanced at it friendly_iconoclast Sep 2015 #11

I also note that you, too, have nothing to say about the victim friendly_iconoclast Sep 2015 #13

Another innocent victim of US gun culture. guillaumeb Sep 2015 #16

Who said anything about enemy occupying armies? You said more guns aren't the answer. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #15

I don't have a gun. lastlib Sep 2015 #19

... GGJohn Sep 2015 #20

None with firearms. Gotta start somewhere, and it might as well be with the worst offender. lastlib Sep 2015 #21

So we start with drugs? GGJohn Sep 2015 #22

if you wanna keep on doing drugs, go right ahead..... lastlib Sep 2015 #23

I don't do drugs, legal or illegal, GGJohn Sep 2015 #24

Then disarm the police. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #25

The worst offender TeddyR Sep 2015 #39

the worst offender discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2015 #40

none with guns; gotta start somewhere lastlib Nov 2015 #43

People will just use other instruments to kill, GGJohn Nov 2015 #44

So you're saying it's just pointless to outlaw murder, huh? lastlib Nov 2015 #46

Right to the insults. GGJohn Nov 2015 #47

Until I see some evidence to the contrary, I have to call it truth......... lastlib Nov 2015 #48

Have I been insulting to you? GGJohn Nov 2015 #49

Post removed Post removed Nov 2015 #42

Own guns if you want to. But what do you care if ownership happens to go down? n/t nomorenomore08 Sep 2015 #31

I care how it goes down. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #33

Incredibly sad, ...... AuntPatsy Sep 2015 #3

...and a tragedy for the victim's family. Note that there are no words of this sort from the OP friendly_iconoclast Sep 2015 #4

Absolutely, I could not agree more, so many that suffer get lost and or ignored in these AuntPatsy Sep 2015 #5

A man with a history sarisataka Sep 2015 #7

Three antigun posters on this thread have had nothing to say about the victim or his family friendly_iconoclast Sep 2015 #14

And the gun enthusiasts have nothing to say about his death, guillaumeb Sep 2015 #17

Only gun haters have mentioned the Second Amendment in this thread, yourself included friendly_iconoclast Sep 2015 #35

You should talk to someone about the 'seeing things that aren't actually there' bit friendly_iconoclast Sep 2015 #37

It's about the guns sarisataka Sep 2015 #18

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It's not even really the guns themselves. nomorenomore08 Sep 2015 #32

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Omg. Awful Liberal_in_LA Sep 2015 #28

He died because of this man- 840high Sep 2015 #29

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Evil, mind controlling ghosts and inanimate objects that bend humans to their will? friendly_iconoclast Sep 2015 #36

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