Gun Control & RKBA

gejohnston

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1. Actually, private gun ownership is not rare

Mon Sep 14, 2015, 10:55 AM

Sep 2015

and the registration is recent and only applies to new sales, not really to private sales. Besides, getting purchase permit isn't that much different than a NICS check or a purchase permit in places like North Carolina and Michigan.

The problem in the US is not the guns themselves but the gun-culture. US-culture has less social obstacles and mediators that disencourage selfish (e.g.: committing a violent crime) behavior.

I seriously doubt he did an actual study in the US, since all the US criminologists think he is full of shit. Most American criminologists don't think gun laws do anything. Besides, the term "gun culture" means criminal gangs in Britain, which is not the same meaning it has here. Besides, quite frankly, I doubt he or she has ever been to the states to actually study the gun culture here or study our violent crime. Also, see Appeal to Authority logical fallacy.

Recreational shooting is widespread in Switzerland. Practice with guns is a popular form of recreation, and is encouraged by the government, particularly for the members of the militia.

Prior to the millennia about 200,000 people used to attend the annual Feldschiessen, which is the largest rifle shooting competition in the world. In 2012 they counted 130,000 participents.[13] For the 2015 Federal Shooting (Eidg. Schützenfest) 37'000 shooters are registered.[14] In addition, there are several private shooting ranges which rent guns.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland

Actually, not a new meme at all. However, I think adopting a military system more like theirs would be returning to what the Founders had in mind since they were not fans of professional militaries.

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The new anti-gun-control meme: The US should be more like Switzerland. [View all] DetlefK Sep 2015 OP

Actually, private gun ownership is not rare gejohnston Sep 2015 #1

You make Switzerland sound just like the US. flamin lib Sep 2015 #2

It is a bigger pain in the ass than most of the states gejohnston Sep 2015 #4

Still peddling that Lott shit, right? flamin lib Sep 2015 #5

Are you back again? oneshooter Sep 2015 #6

Actually, I'm peddling Wright and Rossi. gejohnston Sep 2015 #14

Glad we live in America... ileus Sep 2015 #3

Glad you do too Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #7

Isn't it amazing when common sense comes into play. Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #8

As a non-resisident and not a citizen of the U.S., Snobblevitch Sep 2015 #42

Only you can answer that Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #43

A follow up to the OP flamin lib Sep 2015 #9

Well thanks... discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2015 #11

Didn't you swear NEVER to post on this Forum ever again? oneshooter Sep 2015 #13

I admire your ability to converse with these folks. I guess someone has to do it. randys1 Sep 2015 #26

You just have to pick and choose who to respond to. flamin lib Sep 2015 #28

I totally agree Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #44

The problem with many Democratic proponents of gun control branford Sep 2015 #49

"Gun Culture:" A patchwork of sociological & psychological terms meant to disparage... Eleanors38 Sep 2015 #10

This OP is a good point of departure for good discussion... Eleanors38 Sep 2015 #12

The argument that guns are causing all the violence in the US TeddyR Sep 2015 #15

That doesn't make sense. DetlefK Sep 2015 #16

You fixate on the metal and plastic, his post focuses on the people intent on committing crime. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #17

No, this is about his reasoning. DetlefK Sep 2015 #18

That's not how I read it. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #19

"The biggest difference between the US and Switzerland? How they think about guns:" Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #20

Eh, the militias right now wouldn't accept joining a well-regulated militia. DetlefK Sep 2015 #21

well regulated in the amendment gejohnston Sep 2015 #22

Uhhhh...in the 18c. the government didn't control militias the way you suggest. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #23

any bonehead allowed in the UM jimmy the one Sep 2015 #24

re: the unorganized militia discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2015 #25

Unorganized militia is a JOKE jimmy the one Sep 2015 #31

"Unorganized militia is a JOKE" Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #34

woman up jimmy the one Sep 2015 #35

Okay. Females who are members of the National Guard are the only ones eligible for the Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #36

nuclear yammering jimmy the one Sep 2015 #37

"The sleeping masses" are not a federal statue James; the unorganized militia is. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #38

re: your thoughts above from #31 discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2015 #41

(unorganized) groups of one jimmy the one Sep 2015 #47

Please, render for us... discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2015 #48

You're arguing a red herring again, james. beevul Sep 2015 #27

2ndA both a right & a limitation jimmy the one Sep 2015 #33

Negative ghost rider. beevul Sep 2015 #39

Hey, you know very well facts and historical context don't really matter DonP Sep 2015 #40

do you see the 'and' I wonder? jimmy the one Sep 2015 #45

regurgitating a half truth jimmy the one Sep 2015 #46

Says the guy with one eye closed. beevul Sep 2015 #50

"Stop embellishing requirements to join the unorganized MOB" Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #30

Unorg'd militia, obsolete JOKE jimmy the one Sep 2015 #32

Concept of being a citizen HassleCat Sep 2015 #29