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In reply to the discussion: Serious Questions For Those Who Oppose Gun Laws [View all]Buzz cook
(2,805 posts)63. Post Hoc doesn't quite fit.
        Because the OP wasn't pointing at something that had happened and then claimed that something had occurred because of that happenstance.
He was using the rather silly quote that anti law people use to defend gun ownership and then applying that to Chicago. A simple answer to that question from the anti law side would be that Heinlein was a sci-fi author and what he has to say is irrelevant to the gun law debate.
Instead you and others take umbrage to the question.
1.Since Heller and McDonald expanded gun rights in Chicago, including concealed carry, has gun crime increased in the city, no less from those lawfully empowered to own and carry firearms?
This is a very poorly written sentence. From what I can scan from it you mean, has there been an increase in violence amongst those people who have recently purchased guns in Chicago?
If that is your question my answer is I don't know. Do you?
2.Does permitting law-abiding citizens the means to defend themselves under current standards make Chicago more violent or less "polite?"
If guns are used as a means of self defense and there are more people with guns, then by definition violence would increase. You would argue that the violence in those cases would be justified, but none the less it is violence.
But your question is flawed, because it assumes that all uses of a firearm purchased and owned legally will be legal. The odds don't favor that position.
Simply, you and the OP (or the OP's Google dump sources since he rarely, if ever, actually shares his own thoughts or participates in his own threads) do not set the terms of the gun debate, particularly since the current status quo, polling trends, electoral realities and established jurisprudence favor those supporting firearm rights.
And yet the OP started this thread and in this thread he has set the terms of this thread, is that not so?
Setting the terms of any debate requires that sides agree on those terms. So far on the national level I have yet to see any agreed on terms or even clearly defined sides. The same is true of the micro level here on DU.Then each thread is its own island.
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        Unlike the Controllers who just carry the default assumption everyone wears a black hat
        Nuclear Unicorn
        Aug 2015
        #14
      
        
        Unlike those of us who don't  have a special  talent and can't  be certain  who is the bad guy
        liberal N proud
        Aug 2015
        #15
      
        
        Where I live lots of people carry, every day. No special talent required to not fear them.
        Nuclear Unicorn
        Aug 2015
        #17
      
        
        You seem upset others aren't sharing your delusions. Try to not "lose it."
        Nuclear Unicorn
        Aug 2015
        #28
      
        
        That pretty well explains why you lot want to stick it to everyone, rather than just the criminals.
        beevul
        Aug 2015
        #23
      
        
        So pre judging is bad ... except for you pre judging all gun owners - ironic, ain't it?
        DonP
        Aug 2015
        #30
      
        
        The questioner isn't "serious," he/she is just spewing the usual.  Trash this.
        Eleanors38
        Aug 2015
        #11
      
  