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Remember Me

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48. Hmmm, I suppose you could be right
Wed Feb 15, 2012, 05:01 PM
Feb 2012

Do you know who Neal Boortz is?

He's a Rush Limbaugh wannabe radio talkshow host -- and attorney, btw -- who is fond of making the following argument, or did when I last listened to him some years ago:

Referring to African Americans as Kool cigarette smokers and Malt Liquor drinkers and a bunch of very objectionable and unflattering stuff he would then claim when callers called him on it as racist that those statements are NOT racist. Why? Because:


"According to the dictionary, racism is the belief that blacks are inferior. WHERE in those statements did I say anything about thinking or believing that ghetto-dwellers are inferior? NO WHERE. It's not there. You can't find it. I didn't say it, I don't believe it, and have never said it. So it's not racist."*


*Please note: this is an example of the type of argument I've heard him make repeatedly, not necessarily an exact verbatim quote, except for the first sentence. That's pretty much a direct quote, or close enough.

Now, I would like to believe that everyone in THIS group knows better, knows that racism is a system of oppression that proceeds from -- is the natural societal outcome -- of how it's defined in the dictionary. Racism, we all know, manifests in myriad ways well beyond what any dictionary definition or even encyclopedic entry can cover. Many books have been written about racism, and have probably not said it all yet. Boortz's stereotypes are absolutely racist as I believe he knows full well. Boortz's remarks (not to mention his justification!) helps keep this society's residual racism firmly in place, anchored.

Our sexist friends may not actively or consciously hate, resent or distrust women and therefore might be able to protest their innocence far more honestly than Boortz, but their sexism -- the sexism they could only have learned from a thoroughly misogynist society -- proceeds from that same source (misogyny), AND in turn helps keep that misogyny in place just as surely as Boortz's comments do for racism. Their sexism normalizes sexist behaviors and attitudes (especially when the women near them allow it to go unchallenged); their sexism teaches others to engage in sexist attitudes and behaviors; their sexism helps normalize all other kinds of disrespectful attitudes and treatment of women; their sexism cancels out your efforts to gain equality for all. Etc.

Disrespect is a very dangerous thing because it's such a slippery slope, also quite prone to the influence or agitation of others. You teach or convey enough disrespect for certain other humans either as individuals or classes and you can hurt or kill them or cause them to be hurt or killed or stand by while they're hurt or killed and not feel very bad about it at all. If enough people share your disrespectful views of those people, you can do all of that with impunity. We never go to war without thoroughly demonizing our "enemy." Troops wouldn't kill them if they respected them as humans, so they have to be made less than human.

Personally, I think not confronting the sexism we encounter in daily life esp. in those we know, however sweetly and gently we might choose to do so ------ Well, let me quote something I learned from my Gay Rights brothers and sisters when I was more physically involved in political activism (in the 80s and 90s):

SILENCE CONDONES.

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Host duties: [View all] Texasgal Feb 2012 OP
I think this is a great thread to have in concert with the election thread. boston bean Feb 2012 #1
Reasonable? LOL, I'm wondering who will serve on the Search committee and what Remember Me Feb 2012 #11
Thanks for starting this thread, Texasgal! Lisa D Feb 2012 #2
Thanks ladies! Texasgal Feb 2012 #3
1)Facilitating discussion. Gormy Cuss Feb 2012 #4
Excellent idea! Violet_Crumble Feb 2012 #5
and actually voted in by the group. nt boston bean Feb 2012 #6
Agreed. Texasgal Feb 2012 #7
1) Basic understanding of the statement of purpose. 2) Awareness of which kind of content is not BlueIris Feb 2012 #8
Showing up is a big deal. xmas74 Feb 2012 #9
Blue Iris, I can understand your reasoning for #5 boston bean Feb 2012 #10
I've gone back and forth a lot about whether discussion of blocks is beneficial or not. BlueIris Feb 2012 #12
when redqueen left, i put a thread in host forum asking for suggestions, how others seabeyond Feb 2012 #13
That's why I suggested upthread Lisa D Feb 2012 #14
i am now hearing the argument from people that do not participate on this forum seabeyond Feb 2012 #15
I truly understand this sentiment boston bean Feb 2012 #16
you contacted me by PM to ask that a certain poster iverglas Feb 2012 #20
I contacted you by PM because I didn't know who the main host was anymore. BlueIris Feb 2012 #44
hey.... i went after the same man on that oh so evil forum, myself. hence me saying, seabeyond Feb 2012 #47
Again, for the record, because my "disclose the reasons" post caused some confusion: BlueIris Feb 2012 #50
it is simple blueiris and nothing nefarious about it. the pm system allows one pm at a time. seabeyond Feb 2012 #51
I can't agree that it was insignificant. BlueIris Feb 2012 #53
are the other hosts having threads in the host forum about blocking posters? i havent seen any. seabeyond Feb 2012 #54
I still don't see why, and don't think it should have happened off site. BlueIris Feb 2012 #56
Maybe you could go into the hosts forum and ask that question. Lisa D Feb 2012 #57
to be clear, when we were first host before this stuff, i did go in there and start a thread seabeyond Feb 2012 #58
and a reply to the other part of your post. i get what you are asking for. i think it is a good seabeyond Feb 2012 #52
If there is going to be private discussion among hosts about banning people Ms. Toad Feb 2012 #17
Yes, yes, and yes! n/t Lisa D Feb 2012 #18
what needs to be clear? iverglas Feb 2012 #25
All I want is for the hosts to say, "This is why we did it. This rule was broken, etc." BlueIris Feb 2012 #46
Well - it seems to me there would not be such a ruckus now Ms. Toad Feb 2012 #59
we were just starting setting things up, like a day or two while the shit seabeyond Feb 2012 #60
That's why I'm suggesting looking ahead to make better plans Ms. Toad Feb 2012 #61
hey ms seabeyond Feb 2012 #62
facilitating discussion, making people who are feminists feel welcome and not bullied La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2012 #19
I think those are good suggestions and are important for boston bean Feb 2012 #22
redqueen iverglas Feb 2012 #21
I think all issues women face are important boston bean Feb 2012 #23
What is your understanding of those terms? Remember Me Feb 2012 #24
I think people can be sexists and not necessarily a misogynist. boston bean Feb 2012 #26
no, the other way around is important iverglas Feb 2012 #27
Wow, here we are having a conversation boston bean Feb 2012 #29
forgive me if I have to run away now ;) iverglas Feb 2012 #32
surgery too?? That sucks!!!! boston bean Feb 2012 #35
can we have a video of the surgery procedure, please? nt seabeyond Feb 2012 #37
LOL! Texasgal Feb 2012 #39
Nah, just let her upload it to the secret site where everyone can see it Remember Me Feb 2012 #42
i wanted to seabeyond Feb 2012 #64
Please do not hold a standard Texasgal Feb 2012 #30
interesting iverglas Feb 2012 #31
I will be realy honest here. boston bean Feb 2012 #34
edit... cause i thought it was another thread. ya. lol. nt seabeyond Feb 2012 #36
I just realize that I may Texasgal Feb 2012 #38
Good on you! boston bean Feb 2012 #40
ya, well, read my first edit before i edited. kinda said just that seabeyond Feb 2012 #41
I agree. We have to be able to be ourselves. boston bean Feb 2012 #43
i agree. hence the editing, lol. seabeyond Feb 2012 #45
and the thing is texasgal, when we dont get it, we dont. that is the reality of it seabeyond Feb 2012 #33
Hmmm, I suppose you could be right Remember Me Feb 2012 #48
SILENCE CONDONES. seabeyond Feb 2012 #49
I am fighting sexism and misogyny every single day. boston bean Feb 2012 #55
5. be trustworthy ... DON'T share private conversations between hosts, outside of the host group. Scout Feb 2012 #28
Another one to add.... Violet_Crumble Feb 2012 #63
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