Feminists

with each side explaining themselves a little more clearly. hurrah!!!!!

Here is my take. I know men who are sexists, but I do not believe would not fit in the category of a misogynist. Someone who hates women.

They can feel a gender bias toward women at a particular point in time, maybe not always, and sometimes even unknowing to themselves. The patriarchy infects us all.

I don't think that means that they hate women.

I hear what you are saying and if we link the two inextricably, I can see how one can come to that conclusion.

Both are important topics and hey I might be convinced to your way of thinking. Sometimes you (as in me) just don't get it, until you get it.