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Hugh_Lebowski

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18. I'm not going to sit and argue endlessly with you ... you're dead set on this gambit
Sun Jul 9, 2023, 02:35 PM
Jul 2023

And I hope it works out for you

But do have to address this one point.

"If we don’t push then things don’t change for the better and “a little later down the line” never comes"

I was alive for most of the gay rights movement, and have supported it all along. Let me just share with you my recollection of how roughly this went down:

1) Decriminalize Homosexuality, and stop raiding our fucking bars, just leave us alone.
2) Let us have our public Pride Parades.
3) Stop discriminating against us when it comes to housing and loans and such.
4) Stop demonizing us with your religious bullshit, blaming us for AIDS, and instead start investing government funds and try to help us, Anita and Ronnie!
5) Stop calling gay teachers fucking groomers, we're not, and we have a right to teach children as our profession.
6) Quit using bullshit religion-based reasons to prevent us from being able to adopt children.
7) Allow gay people to serve in the military.
8) Put us in the Federal Code as a Protected Class for employment purposes.
9) Allow openly-gay characters to be represented on TV and in Movies (without them being Rated X).
10) Allow openly-gay talk show hosts.
11) You need to BAN this conversion therapy bullshit.
12) Grant the full benefits of Marriage to gay couples, protected under a SCOTUS ruling at minimum.

Do you understand how long all that took? Stonewall 1969 - Obergefell 2015 ... 46 years.

When I look back on that I have to disagree with your premise that 'later never comes'. It absolutely CAN, and that absolutely happened with Civil Rights, too.

Be strategic, that's all I'm saying.

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Nothing bothers me more than when people on the left sell us out LostOne4Ever Jul 2023 #1
And it gets worse LostOne4Ever Jul 2023 #2
They're stupid & cruel to do that.. I've Cha Jul 2023 #3
They have been bigots for A LONG time. Behind the Aegis Jul 2023 #4
Sadly lot of my "liberal" FB friends still trust them LostOne4Ever Jul 2023 #5
So I just have to ask ... which is the official, appropriately Political Correct nomenclature? Hugh_Lebowski Jul 2023 #6
Not all mothers are women LostOne4Ever Jul 2023 #7
My phrasing? Hugh_Lebowski Jul 2023 #10
Where in the article does it say anything about "political correctness?" LostOne4Ever Jul 2023 #12
I don't disagree with too much of what you're saying Hugh_Lebowski Jul 2023 #13
If they identify as mothers then that is what they are LostOne4Ever Jul 2023 #14
"Using inclusive language like "those who have given birth" achieves that. Hugh_Lebowski Jul 2023 #16
The majority of Cis Women agree LostOne4Ever Jul 2023 #17
I'm not going to sit and argue endlessly with you ... you're dead set on this gambit Hugh_Lebowski Jul 2023 #18
All of those things came about from activists pushing LostOne4Ever Jul 2023 #19
I'm familiar with the Letter, and I understand the point Hugh_Lebowski Jul 2023 #20
Also trans women can adopt or make babies via sperm vercetti2021 Jul 2023 #8
I understand, and I hope you are someday :) (nt) Hugh_Lebowski Jul 2023 #11
I stopped paying attention to the young turks, Cenk and Kasparian a very long time ago LetMyPeopleVote Jul 2023 #9
Here are some good reasons to ignore Cenk and the Young turks LetMyPeopleVote Jul 2023 #15
Thank you for getting this message out. lapucelle Jul 2023 #21
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