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William Seger

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12. Problem?
Mon Aug 25, 2014, 10:11 AM
Aug 2014

> The probem, Seger, is that a steel framed building has never before in history collapsed due to fire.

Why is your fuzzy thinking my problem? In the first place, you need to say that no "tall" steel building has ever collapsed "completely" due to fire, so you need to specify at what height they acquire the magic invulnerability and what percentage of collapse is acceptable.

In the second place, no building constructed like WTC7 has ever undergone a 7-hour unfought fire. According to NIST's hypothesis, the problem with the WTC7 design was that long-span floor beams framed into a long girder at two different angles, and that girder itself framed into column 79 at an angle, yet all the connections to interior columns were designed only to carry the gravity loads, not the thermal expansion of this asymmetric framing. Those "shear" connections also explain why the collapse propagated: When one end of a beam dropped, the other end easily broke free, leaving that column unrestrained laterally so it could also buckle and fail.

Why should I be impressed that "truthers" who don't even understand that hypothesis, much less have a credible refutation, offer arguments that begin with the belief that all steel buildings are designed the same, and don't understand why comparisons to other fires is invalid? Why should I not laugh when such people try to tell me that their theories are "scientific?"

But the real problem is that your argument boils down to: "This never happened before, therefore magical silent explosives is a better explanation." It's funny that you would even offer that argument but then ignore that magical silent explosives have never brought down a building, either. If the topic is why rational people don't take WTC7 controlled demolition theories seriously, then you aren't helping your cause.

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The 911 nationalize the fed Aug 2014 #1
'Set up to fail' is right gyroscope Aug 2014 #2
it did not fail! wildbilln864 Aug 2014 #16
See, this is why conspiracist bullshit should not go unchallenged William Seger Aug 2014 #17
Indeed I am accusing them! wildbilln864 Aug 2014 #21
Did the firefighters help cover it up too? zappaman Aug 2014 #22
you'd be guessing wrong.... wildbilln864 Aug 2014 #23
So the firefighters didn't help with the coverup? zappaman Aug 2014 #24
you make it up as you go along I see. wildbilln864 Aug 2014 #29
They did? zappaman Aug 2014 #30
there you go again! wildbilln864 Aug 2014 #32
There you go again! zappaman Aug 2014 #33
why are you asking me? wildbilln864 Aug 2014 #34
Oh that's why? zappaman Aug 2014 #35
i have no opinion of NY firefighters. wildbilln864 Aug 2014 #36
Yes you do. zappaman Aug 2014 #37
I don't know any to ask nor am I ... wildbilln864 Aug 2014 #38
And the media played a key role gyroscope Aug 2014 #18
FBI are a bunch of politicians - says 911 truth followers superbeachnut Aug 2014 #19
What members of the 9/11 commission were from the FBI? gyroscope Aug 2014 #20
FBI does crime, 911 Commission does politics - gee whiz superbeachnut Aug 2014 #25
Party politics? Thomas Kean is a Republican, genius. gyroscope Aug 2014 #27
oh, oh, oh, I know!!! WTC 7 was not a terrorist target. I win, you guys are super gullible superbeachnut Aug 2014 #3
Nice trolling gyroscope Aug 2014 #4
You shouldn't ask questions if you can't handle the answers William Seger Aug 2014 #5
"We were set up to fail"--Commission co-chairs gyroscope Aug 2014 #6
Hmm, you wanna change the subject, and the best you can do is an out-of-context quote? William Seger Aug 2014 #15
"magically impervious to 7 hours of fire" nationalize the fed Aug 2014 #7
Why is that a problem? AZCat Aug 2014 #8
You don't always believe engineers nationalize the fed Aug 2014 #9
That's because those engineers haven't made any real arguments. AZCat Aug 2014 #10
911 truth shows fires at night, not day time fires; why superbeachnut Aug 2014 #11
Problem? William Seger Aug 2014 #12
Seger has a wild imagination gyroscope Aug 2014 #13
Who knows; if you understood what I actually said, you might agree. William Seger Aug 2014 #14
The FDNY reported a 20 story gash in the side of WTC 7 hack89 Aug 2014 #31
Post removed Post removed Aug 2014 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author gyroscope Aug 2014 #28
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