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superbeachnut

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168. Working brain? You fell for lies in the "The Big Bamboozle", you were Bamboozled
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 01:26 PM
Jun 2014

Last edited Mon Jun 23, 2014, 02:55 PM - Edit history (1)

dballance, there are no special maneuvers on 911 made by the 4 terrorists pilots. They all crashed, and crashing is the easiest maneuver in the book. Plus the WTC towers were 207 minimum cross section to hit. When landing on a 150 foot runway, a pilot has to hit the center or he will not pass his check out, landing off center like Flight 175 would be unsatisfactory. Did you crash your Honda the first day you learned to drive, did you drive off the road? My daughter drove our car and learned to shift a standard transmission at 8, and the first time driving, on centerline. Wow, rookie driver. And moving to formula one, you say you can't drive it? Better stop driving all together with that failed attitude. 911 was done by 4 terrorists who studied flying for years, rented/paid for simulator time - have you? Have you tried to fly? First time I flew a small plane, C-150, on centerline, on speed, and landed; FIRST time. First time in a heavy jet, a KC-135, first landing no help, on centerline, on speed, perfect. And you say 4 pilots trained in jet simulator, all 4 with FAA tickets to fly cause they flew for years, can't crash on 911. LUS, you can't name or describe a maneuver they did that a rookie pilot can't do better. Name the maneuvers you are talking about, because the terrorists pilots did nothing special; zero special maneuvers, they all crashed, and flew poorly. Are you saying something was hard to do?

Explain in detail, bank angle, g force, decent rates, etc, that was hard to do on 911?

You know nothing about autopilots - you can use the turn knob and altitude hold and go where you want, not some pre programed path. You don't have to program anything, you can hand fly, and the terrorist pilots hand flew the final sections - did you try to research this, or are you going with Google junk from 911 truth sources? Sounds like you are talking with zero experience in heavy jets.

Then you skip to structural engineering, and think WTC 7 is special. Many buildings have been totaled by fires, and those buildings totaled in fire were fires that were fought. Did you try to look at this? Are you an engineer now, after messing up flying now you have an open mind and are an expert on structural engineering and want to say WTC 7 was CD, when it was not. Good, you are in the 13th year of not being able to understand fire did WTC 7, NIST says thermal expansion of some steel started the collapse. It makes sense, some engineering disagree what started it, but they all agree it was not CD, not thermite, not your silent explosives, but a building totaled by fire that collapsed; fires not fought.
Windsor Building, fire fought, building never used again, like WTC 7 but it only partially collapsed because of a concrete core and fires were fought for 24 hours.
One Meridian Plaza, fire fought, building never used again. Fire fighter left building fearing a collapse, the building totaled by fire, never used again, like WTC but did not collapse because the fires were fought.
WTC 7, totaled by fire before the collapse started, fires burned all day, fires not fought, and due to a unique design, WTC 7 collapsed. There are no sane engineers who believe WTC 7 was CD. But go ahead, believe the less than 0.1 percent of all engineers who fall for the same dumbed down nonsense from 911 truth says about 911. You have the support of a fringe few who can't figure out 911, and they are less than 0.1 percent of all engineers. Wow, you got nothing and support liars who spread lies about things, and you and the Boston bombers both are gullible on 911, believing lies from 911 truth.

The first time I flew heavy jets was 1976, your silly "The Big Bamboozle" is nonsense made up by a paranoid conspiracy theorist who killed himself and his kids. Not a sane person, and at best a BS artist who lies to sell books.
The author of your great book of woo, lies. There is nothing hard about flying a 767. Did you think? What if you took the jet, and wanted to see the WTC towers? What if you took the plane headed west? What do you do to see the WTC? Oh, fly east, put the E in the compass and go east. Wow, that was hard. Now you see the WTC from over 100 miles away sticking up over 1,000 feet. You can see the WTC from a hundred miles away, this was such and easy task it would take people dumber than idiots to miss the WTC. The only pilots in the world who brag about not being about to hit the WTC are pilots for truth, and it seems the pilots you know, failed pilots who can 't do. Can't do it. Can't, not in the normal pilots tool box, we usually are type A, not type Can't. Where do you find all the failed pilots? Special filter on Google?

Anyway, there was no beating the USAF on 911. The USAF had no mission over the USA to shoot down or harass airliners. Our skies over the country were not patrolled by armed fighters. If you meet a fighter armed for intercept it was over the water next to Warning Areas, in the ADIZ - sorry, but before 911 our skies were truly like the founding fathers wanted, free of the military. We usually don't use military for law enforcement, it is prohibited - do you want to go use the military for police actions in the USA. The military would be called upon by the FAA to follow hijacked aircraft, the time frame would be hours, maybe an hour. Would it be an Alert bird, maybe not, it could be a training mission diverted to help they FAA, like Payne Stewart's plane. Over 80 minutes to the first USAF plane to watch the aircraft.

So the "The Big Bamboozle" says the terrorists beat the USAF, there was no USAF to beat, we did not patrol what used to be FAA civilian controlled skies over the USA. The terrorists had a way to surprise us, we did not instantly shoot down radio out planes, planes with broken Mode3, if you stop squawking there is no instant scramble on 911. The book is a big lie. You were fooled by a suicidal lair, or if you want, BS artist who spreads lies, and gullible people love to repeat the false junk.

"The Big Bamboozle", dumbed down fiction for the paranoid conspiracy theorists. Nothing in the book is good for anything in the real world. The author is a hateful nut, who killed his kids. The only people his tripe will fool are people like the Boston bombers and conspiracy theorists, Bigfoot has better moral grounds than this crap spreading lies and blaming ourselves for a fantasy delusional false flag. Why spread lies about 911? 13 years and this tripe still fools people who claim to be rational open minded, super smart, and only exposes massive ignorance of 911, flying, engineering, fire science, etc.

Debate pilots for truth, how do you debate delusional fantasy, Fake Vg diagrams, lies of impossible speeds? Go ahead, support one of the claim you have. Debate the fantastic maneuvers you can't explain the in the first place. Go ahead, take your book "The Big Bamboozle" and support it with fact.

The complex plot of 911
1. take planes
2. crash planes

So complex, must of taken super smart guys to murder the crew and kill the pilots, only super smart people can kill... Complex? Fellow American's were murdered on 911 and you support liars and celebrate fantasy, ignorance and nonsense.

Which maneuver was too hard for the pilots you know, we know the pilot for truth can't hit a 900 plus foot wide Pentagon, what did your pilot friend say they Can't do?

You can't debate your fantasy, and you have no experts, you have the support of less than 0.1 percent of all pilots, the Internet has you thinking you have massive support, it is zero support and you have no evidence. Proof you have nothing, you will never come up with a maneuver that was hard on 911. You don't know anything about 911, you have Google knowledge, and it is worthless, and the working brain stuff is funny, wait till you wake up to realize 911 truth is a fake movement based on hearsay, lies and fantasy. You lack of knowledge is why you don't understand the lies, and look where we are posting, where fantasy is discussed, and you bring the fantasy.

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Skygate 911 [View all] damnedifIknow May 2014 OP
Good grief. B-List conspiracy huckster Rob Balsamo William Seger May 2014 #1
Please address the content of this video damnedifIknow May 2014 #2
I did. Read the links (n/t) William Seger May 2014 #3
Do you agree with analysis done on the WTC by the same people in your links? johndoeX May 2014 #7
I'm not surprised that you missed the point William Seger May 2014 #9
In other words.... johndoeX May 2014 #10
Here's some content: William Seger May 2014 #4
Seger once again shows his lack of aeronautical knowledge. johndoeX May 2014 #5
Cowboy Bob rides again William Seger May 2014 #8
Read and Learn Seger johndoeX May 2014 #11
SSDD William Seger May 2014 #12
You are so lost it would be funny if not so sad. johndoeX May 2014 #13
Maybe you've been watching that spinning wing logo too long William Seger May 2014 #14
Wow, look at all that tap dancing... lol johndoeX May 2014 #15
Welcome to the Rob Balsamo Show William Seger May 2014 #17
You still don't get it Seger? johndoeX May 2014 #18
Oh, I "get" what you're asserting William Seger May 2014 #19
Whoops, I missed this one..... johndoeX Jun 2014 #26
And you still missed it by a mile William Seger Jun 2014 #27
The Gish Gallop of fake Vg diagram and BS superbeachnut Jun 2014 #34
While you're at it, please explain this, too William Seger Jun 2014 #20
No, you still don't get it Seger.... johndoeX Jun 2014 #23
ROFL. There's that bizarra Balsamo "debating" technique again William Seger Jun 2014 #28
fake Vg diagram superbeachnut Jun 2014 #33
Using a journalist for aero knowledge, quote mining failure superbeachnut Jun 2014 #22
Still unable to read the credentials page Beachy? johndoeX Jun 2014 #25
Fake defintion used to help fake Vg diagram superbeachnut Jun 2014 #35
Any valid points in the video which prove it was not 175 hitting the WTC superbeachnut Jun 2014 #36
Jetblue Captain and Aeronautical Engineer Reviews Skygate 911 johndoeX May 2014 #6
Jetblue Captain and Aeronautical Engineer falls for Skygate 911 lies and fake Vg diagram superbeachnut Jun 2014 #71
Navy Top Gun and American Airlines 757/767 Captain Reviews Skygate 911 johndoeX May 2014 #16
Navy Top Gun and American Airlines 757/767 Captain Fooled by Skygate 911 superbeachnut Jun 2014 #72
Fraud from failed pilots superbeachnut Jun 2014 #21
Aww... how sweet... johndoeX Jun 2014 #24
Wow, that is lame, even for you William Seger Jun 2014 #29
Wrong again Seger... johndoeX Jun 2014 #30
LOL, so you didn't IGNORE the point William Seger Jun 2014 #31
Seger says - "If A > B and B > C, then A > C" johndoeX Jun 2014 #37
767 designed for 1.2Vd, and it can do better, why the fake Vg diagram superbeachnut Jun 2014 #39
Censura.net? Really? This is you "expert"? johndoeX Jun 2014 #41
math expert debunks pilots for truth math, pilot for truth forum thread confirms it superbeachnut Jun 2014 #44
Source fail johndoeX Jun 2014 #45
pilots for truth fail to decode what a mathematician can, so much for experts superbeachnut Jun 2014 #48
Post #27 William Seger Jun 2014 #49
It's much more simple than that Seger johndoeX Jun 2014 #51
Fake Vg diagram, inability to post the structural failure speed - pilots for truth superbeachnut Jun 2014 #53
Game over William Seger Jun 2014 #61
Wrong again Seger johndoeX Jun 2014 #63
Balsamo folds but continues to bullshit William Seger Jun 2014 #69
And yet.... johndoeX Jun 2014 #73
Our guest on the Rob Balsamo Show today is... William Seger Jun 2014 #76
You're still wrong Seger johndoeX Jun 2014 #79
Jeez... Yes, Rob, as I said, that is Flight Load William Seger Jun 2014 #82
Nice backpedaling... johndoeX Jun 2014 #83
more nonsense from pilots for truth superbeachnut Jun 2014 #85
Bullshit William Seger Jun 2014 #87
The Limit Case johndoeX Jun 2014 #90
Really? William Seger Jun 2014 #92
Go ahead! johndoeX Jun 2014 #95
ROFLMAO William Seger Jun 2014 #98
Translation johndoeX Jun 2014 #100
1.2Vd, 580 mph for flight 175 flutter free, better call for help superbeachnut Jun 2014 #93
Go ahead provide the source, make up more nonsense, and never explain superbeachnut Jun 2014 #70
In other words.... johndoeX Jun 2014 #74
Why can't the super pilots for truth source what they say they can source superbeachnut Jun 2014 #77
And now for accuracy... johndoeX Jun 2014 #80
pilots for truth talk Technobabble with aerodynamics and can't explain their dumb-speak superbeachnut Jun 2014 #81
"50'% Factor of Safety beyond VD" William Seger Jun 2014 #89
Math? johndoeX Jun 2014 #91
pilots for truth, making up more nonsense superbeachnut Jun 2014 #94
Yes, math, your worst nightmare William Seger Jun 2014 #97
Wrong again Seger. johndoeX Jun 2014 #99
Done William Seger Jun 2014 #101
School's out William Seger Jun 2014 #102
Wrong again Seger... johndoeX Jun 2014 #103
ROFLMAO William Seger Jun 2014 #104
Translation - johndoeX Jun 2014 #106
next stop, 11.2g physics applied to make up fake engine claims superbeachnut Jun 2014 #107
"You've already proven you are intellectually dishonest" William Seger Jun 2014 #108
The Score johndoeX Jun 2014 #109
Hmmm, looks like the score is still 1-0 William Seger Jun 2014 #110
Where is the core, why do they not help spread lies of impossible speeds, and fake Vg diagrams superbeachnut Jun 2014 #111
Balsamo's Corner delphi72 Jun 2014 #113
Great summary superbeachnut Jun 2014 #114
pilots for truth lies fail, structual failure at 425 KEAS remains a lie superbeachnut Jun 2014 #105
weak attack does not make the fake Vg diagram real superbeachnut Jun 2014 #32
"Debunkers" unable to plot their own VG when data is known... johndoeX Jun 2014 #38
a fake Vg diagram, photoshopped to fool superbeachnut Jun 2014 #40
Wrong... johndoeX Jun 2014 #42
pilots for truth unable to state the structural failure speed on their fake Vg diagram superbeachnut Jun 2014 #43
ATP? johndoeX Jun 2014 #46
no ATP yet? That is a test score, your FAA records show no ATP superbeachnut Jun 2014 #47
Why block out the date? delphi72 Jun 2014 #50
How does one erase knowledge? johndoeX Jun 2014 #52
I understand now delphi72 Jun 2014 #54
Boeing? johndoeX Jun 2014 #56
The big lie posted in the video preview superbeachnut Jun 2014 #58
Beachnut Flew a Desk johndoeX Jun 2014 #59
Fake Vg diagram supported with... nothing, pilots for truth fake Vg diagram supports lies about 911 superbeachnut Jun 2014 #60
sign of no evidence, for lies of "structual failure at 425 KEAS", and fake Vg diagram, flying a desk superbeachnut Jun 2014 #88
Boeing Phone Answer Lady Top Engineer delphi72 Jun 2014 #112
How does this save the fake Vg diagram or the structural failure speed lie superbeachnut Jun 2014 #55
Wrong again Beachy... n/t johndoeX Jun 2014 #57
Aw, Rob, I never said you were "nuts" William Seger Jun 2014 #62
I'm confused... johndoeX Jun 2014 #64
Paranoid conspiracy theorist fall for pilot for truth fake Vg diagrams and other lies superbeachnut Jun 2014 #65
"Paranoid"? johndoeX Jun 2014 #66
paranoid conspiracy theorist post more lies and paranoia instead of evidence superbeachnut Jun 2014 #67
Wow. There's one born every minute William Seger Jun 2014 #68
"fake VG" johndoeX Jun 2014 #75
A fake Vg diagram appears in the Skygate video with the lie of structual failure at 425 KEAS superbeachnut Jun 2014 #78
25 to 65 johndoeX Jun 2014 #84
pilots for truth make fake Vg diagram and explain how to fake the Vg diagram, without engineering superbeachnut Jun 2014 #86
structural failure zone for the 767, big lie, pilots for truth fail superbeachnut Jun 2014 #96
The Score remains... johndoeX Jun 2014 #115
In Your Corner delphi72 Jun 2014 #117
Well, you've definitely painted yourself into a corner William Seger Jun 2014 #118
The score, pilot for truth claims, zero evidence superbeachnut Jun 2014 #116
Operational Envelope Diagram delphi72 Jun 2014 #119
It's worse than that William Seger Jun 2014 #120
Boeing Comment on Flight Beyond Vg delphi72 Jun 2014 #121
Bump for Balsamo delphi72 Jun 2014 #122
My apologies 'delphi72' johndoeX Jun 2014 #127
Experience in Aviation? delphi72 Jun 2014 #140
Bump (II) for Balsamo delphi72 Jun 2014 #162
Seger is STILL unable to find the relevant FAR? johndoeX Jun 2014 #123
Why can't pilots for truth explain what they post? They never do. superbeachnut Jun 2014 #124
Why can't Beachnut post a source for his claims? johndoeX Jun 2014 #125
767 built to 1.2Vd, pilots for truth can't find the info superbeachnut Jun 2014 #126
Beachy Epic Fail johndoeX Jun 2014 #128
Pilots for truth can't find the spec the 767 was built to, a reflection of their fake 767 Vg diagram superbeachnut Jun 2014 #129
Beachy once again fails to source his claim johndoeX Jun 2014 #130
Here ya go William Seger Jun 2014 #133
Epic Fail Seger johndoeX Jun 2014 #135
You post stuff you can't explain; why superbeachnut Jun 2014 #137
You STILL don't understand structural engineering or the FAR William Seger Jun 2014 #131
Seger, are you familiar with real world exercise, practical application, and precedent? johndoeX Jun 2014 #134
Flight 175, oops, you lost this debate, superbeachnut Jun 2014 #136
ROFLMAO, so predictable, and yet... William Seger Jun 2014 #138
Wrong again Seger johndoeX Jun 2014 #139
So far... so true.... johndoeX Jun 2014 #172
Fake speeds, fake Vg diagram, failed physics, what is the next fake claim from pilots for truth superbeachnut Jun 2014 #132
Beachy cannot determine a VG Diagram when the data is known. johndoeX Jun 2014 #141
The silly lie Balsamo spreads based on failed research. superbeachnut Jun 2014 #142
Thank you for your insight Beachy... johndoeX Jun 2014 #143
p4t can't explain what they post superbeachnut Jun 2014 #144
Beachy -for more than the 5th time johndoeX Jun 2014 #147
No aero engineers at pilots for truth superbeachnut Jun 2014 #148
Wrong again Beachy.... johndoeX Jun 2014 #150
jet blue pilot goes crazy, talking conspracy theories superbeachnut Jun 2014 #155
Actually, that's more than the 5th time William Seger Jun 2014 #145
Wrong again Seger johndoeX Jun 2014 #146
Why can't pilots for truth explain their own questions, their own posts superbeachnut Jun 2014 #149
It means just what it says.... johndoeX Jun 2014 #151
I knew it, you can't explain your own points superbeachnut Jun 2014 #152
Use a dictionary if you are unfamiliar with the terms... johndoeX Jun 2014 #154
You can't explain your post? Why superbeachnut Jun 2014 #156
Wrong again Beachy.... johndoeX Jun 2014 #157
Of Course he Can't Explain His Posts delphi72 Jun 2014 #163
Fake Vg diagram, and more lies superbeachnut Jun 2014 #153
To any person with a WORKING brain SOMETHING IS TERRIBLY WRONG WITH WHAT WE'VE BEEN TOLD ABOUT 9/11. dballance Jun 2014 #158
Really? William Seger Jun 2014 #159
Yes, Really. dballance Jun 2014 #160
Phillip Marshall? delphi72 Jun 2014 #161
Too funny William Seger Jun 2014 #165
From The Supposed Excerpt: delphi72 Jun 2014 #166
American 88 was MY Typo when I transcribed. Thanks for pointing it out. dballance Jun 2014 #169
Anything else? All your claims are nonsense superbeachnut Jun 2014 #170
Of course, 'duhbunkers' never make a typo... johndoeX Jun 2014 #177
Yes, I have experienced similar results... johndoeX Jun 2014 #167
More nonsense sponsored by pilots for truth, more hearsay and exageration superbeachnut Jun 2014 #171
Working brain? You fell for lies in the "The Big Bamboozle", you were Bamboozled superbeachnut Jun 2014 #168
Just Dawned On Me delphi72 Jun 2014 #164
Uninspired Lies from pilots for truth superbeachnut Jun 2014 #173
Beachy, why have you not supported Seger? johndoeX Jun 2014 #174
Answer My Question delphi72 Jun 2014 #175
pilots for truth can't defend impossible speed lie, no support from rational Aero Engineers superbeachnut Jun 2014 #176
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