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Behind the Aegis

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24. It appears we are talking about two different things.
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 02:40 AM
Nov 2012

The quote I provided from Carl Sagan, "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence." demonstrates that one cannot claim something is true without proof, but just because proof doesn't exist doesn't mean "it" doesn't exist. For something to be true, proof must exist; the same is true for something to be "false," proof must exist. Facts require proof. What you are discussing is probability as rationale. I have no issue with it, but it is still not "fact," it is opinion and speculation.

If someone says they don't (do) "believe" in the Yeti because they don't (do) see the possibility; cool. If, however, they say the Yeti doesn't (does) exist and claim it is "fact" because no evidence exists (proving it doesn't exist), then they are flat out wrong.

"The Ancient Greeks might have determined that the Earth was round from the different positions of the stars from different locations on Earth, or by observing the somewhat round horizon of the surface of the sea. They had evidence."

The might have (and now there is speculation a few did), but most in the Ancient World didn't have evidence because they didn't know how to gather it.

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Meet Harry Houdini REP Jul 2012 #1
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Right. Shadowflash Jul 2012 #3
Why do ghosts always have clothes on? zappaman Jul 2012 #4
Here ya go: frogmarch Jul 2012 #5
I will be nakkid. zappaman Jul 2012 #6
haha! frogmarch Jul 2012 #7
They don't Cherchez la Femme Oct 2012 #8
Shouldn't all ghosts be buck nakkid? left-of-center2012 Oct 2012 #10
Only if they're good looking! I don't want any ugly and naked ghosts handing around my place! RKP5637 Mar 2013 #43
Some people will NEVER believe, unless/until they have their own personal experience... Ghost in the Machine Oct 2012 #9
So do ESP believers, Alien Abduction believers, Faith Healers, And the Romans thought Zeus changed.. Logical Oct 2012 #12
Sorry, but you should know that I don't suffer fools lightly... Ghost in the Machine Oct 2012 #13
LOL, I love it you mentioned unicorns! Explains a lot! n-t Logical Oct 2012 #15
Yes, it apparently explains your lack of reading comprehension...n/t Ghost in the Machine Oct 2012 #17
The "sitting down on chest" thing is called "old hag." Dash87 Feb 2013 #41
Thank you for the info... but, if you re-read my post, I never said that Ghost in the Machine Feb 2013 #42
You're right, you know. LiberalAndProud Jul 2013 #46
I had a 'weird experience' left-of-center2012 Oct 2012 #11
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Behind the Aegis Oct 2012 #14
7 Billion people on this planet, nobody could have pulled it off by now? snooper2 Oct 2012 #16
Did you understand what I wrote? (Well, what Carl Sagan wrote.) Behind the Aegis Oct 2012 #18
Absence of evidence is great evidence of absence cpwm17 Oct 2012 #19
Not quite. Behind the Aegis Nov 2012 #20
The default position is that the something isn't true when there's no evidence for the something. cpwm17 Nov 2012 #21
No, it isn't. Behind the Aegis Nov 2012 #22
In the context of this thread, whole new realities, such as "spirits cpwm17 Nov 2012 #23
It appears we are talking about two different things. Behind the Aegis Nov 2012 #24
Sagan was aware of the distinction William Seger Nov 2012 #25
Sagan was aware, but cpwm17 didn't appear to be. Behind the Aegis Nov 2012 #26
Another Sagan quote: "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." cpwm17 Nov 2012 #27
I agree with that statement as well. Behind the Aegis Nov 2012 #28
Evidence does not equal proof cpwm17 Nov 2012 #29
No, it doesn't, but it is a good indicator. Behind the Aegis Nov 2012 #30
It's not necessary to assume tama Feb 2013 #31
When I become a ghost I'll leave a hard poop on your doorstep, Quantess Feb 2013 #32
ghosts can defaecate at will? snooper2 Feb 2013 #33
it will be a ghost poop demwing Feb 2013 #36
Because once the Spirit moves on Smilo Feb 2013 #34
I have spent more than one night in more than one "haunted hotel" zappaman Feb 2013 #35
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Jeez dude! zappaman Feb 2013 #38
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