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Beastly Boy

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10. No, it's not simple.
Fri Jun 20, 2025, 07:10 PM
Jun 20

But if you pay attention to the rest of the article, much of the Jewish exodus was triggered by extreme violence, official acts against the local Jewish populations, and outright expulsions from their homes where they lived for centuries.

I am not in a habit of arguing with extremist religious nutcases, so you shouldn't be surprised with me declining that honor. However, since you found merit in the Rabbi's argument, I will respond to you: in the same way that anti-Zionism should not equate to antisemitism, antisemitism should not mask itself as anti-Zionism.

It takes some homework, but it is easy enough to distinguish between antisemitism and anti-Zionism. First, one should take time to learn what Zionism is. If one is ignorant on the subject and calls oneself an anti-Zionist, the conversation ends right there: being anti-something without the basic knowledge of what that something is betrays an argument out of ignorance. Learning about Zionism also helps articulate what specific aspects of Zionism one is "anti-".

Second, one should take time to learn what antisemitism is. In addition to overt anti-Jew hatred, there is a whole category of more covert antisemitic sentiments. There is a large collection of baseless sentiments associated with antisemitism. They are called antisemitic tropes, and they have been used time and again to level unfounded accusations against Jews (BTW, accusations of genocide and ethnic cleansing are nothing new - they have been sporadically leveled against Jews for centuries, way before Gaza)

So here is how to tell the two apart: first, look for hyperbole in describing grievances. It is not antisemitic in itself, but it raises suspicions of an argument being non-factual. Then, look for bias. If the standards for anti-Zionist criticism is applied capriciously towards Zionists and no one else under comparable circumstances, it's a dead giveaway that there is more to it than legitimate criticism. Finally, look for references to antisemitic tropes. If there are accusations resembling them, there is no question: that's antisemitism.

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pobodys nerfect creon Jun 20 #1
The Rabbi is correct. Jews live in all the other countries peacefully without... brush Jun 20 #2
when you will the end, you do not quibble the means creon Jun 20 #3
Both sides, as I said, are not doing ethnic cleansing. brush Jun 20 #4
the strong do what they will; the weak suffer what they must creon Jun 20 #14
Not anymore! Beastly Boy Jun 20 #7
It's not as simple as you seem to imply al bupp Jun 20 #9
No, it's not simple. Beastly Boy Jun 20 #10
Awww, they must be getting desperate. Beastly Boy Jun 20 #5
and yet he argues against starvation and genocide. Uncle Joe Jun 20 #6
Neturei Karta is on the very right edge of the right wing. There is no one to their right. Beastly Boy Jun 20 #8
Well he did a good job Uncle Joe Jun 20 #11
The talking points are no secret. Parroting them doesn't take a rocket scientist. Beastly Boy Jun 20 #12
Yes I suppose Netanyahu makes the talking points crystal clear and super easy to parrot. Anyone can do it, Uncle Joe Jun 20 #13
Here you go. Another example of how easy it is to get free publicity. Beastly Boy Jun 20 #15
It goes back to my first question to you, what does this make Netanyahu? Uncle Joe Jun 20 #16
My answer was implied in my response. Netanyahu is just another attention whore in this respect. Beastly Boy Jun 20 #17
Netanyahu is an indicted war criminal for possible genocide and ethnic cleansing, deliberately starving 2+ million Uncle Joe Jun 20 #18
Accused, not indicted, of war crimes and crimes against humanuty, not genocide and not ethnic cleransing. Beastly Boy Jun 20 #19
Locking per I/P guidelines Lithos Jun 20 #20
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