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Lithos

(26,546 posts)
16. Not disagreeing with you
Wed Dec 6, 2023, 01:10 AM
Dec 2023

God no, not disagreeing.

But to show you the hell of this war:

I have no doubt that Hamas would use teenagers in a different type of war, but not this one.


This is that war. Why would they change now given it's been their strategy all along. Hamas historically has long used their civilians as "shields" in a very calculated manner. Given most of the population are children, then children will bear the brunt of this callous decision. Any group which casually trains its fighters to say "drop your pants" in another language really do not care about anything but specific outcomes.

BUT...

Israel is keen to rush ahead in this challenge and trap Hamas has set - no matter what their PR people are stating. They are fighting the war Hamas planned from the beginning.

And in so doing the tactics they are using are still thud and blunder in nature as Hamas expected. My complaint is they knew the nature of the next war in Gaza was going to be exactly what is going on and they did did nothing mostly because it was noise to Netanyahu's desired outcomes. My snark was the IDF became the "boot" squad of the West Bank settler program and did not focus on what was likely the next war which required very precise tools and tactics to handle Hamas' indiscriminate use of civilians. Or TL;DR - the politicized use of the IDF in the West Bank destroyed the "professionalism" of the IDF. Israel is much more in danger now than in 1973 because of Netanyahu's strategy. I am hoping the Israeli's understand this sooner than later and come to their senses and bring in a government which is more pragmatic and less ideology based.

This is factually a disaster for civilians - but I can not blame just one side for this - it takes two to play here and neither truly care about the civilians.

On Edit:

Hamas wants to destroy Israel - they do not care if they destroy Gaza in the process. Similarly, Netanyahu wants to destroy the Palestinians in the vague hope it leads to a greater Israel - he does not care what that does to Israel

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I just don't have any words to use... Think. Again. Dec 2023 #1
Yeah, some things you just can't spin but I think both Israel and Hamas take turns trying. Just so sad! dutch777 Dec 2023 #5
Any? fly2man Dec 2023 #17
So if Israel says that there are half a million Hamas fighters in Gaza, that gives them the right to kill Lonestarblue Dec 2023 #2
misunderstanding what he saying fly2man Dec 2023 #20
Post removed Post removed Dec 2023 #3
This is an incredibly tone deaf public statement, but it reflects the realities of war. Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #4
World War II was the extreme that led to changes in the laws of war. Eugene Dec 2023 #6
I doubt very much that you will find more favorable statistics anywhere in the world Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #9
burden of proof fly2man Dec 2023 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #21
I suspect that there were no significant changes in the ratio of military vs civilian casualty ratios Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #22
burden of proof fly2man Dec 2023 #24
It was a tone deaf comment that recklessly failed to acknowledge the tragedy of civilian deaths. madaboutharry Dec 2023 #7
that means they eliminated 7500 Hamas. WhiteTara Dec 2023 #8
He forgot to mention that nearly half of the dead are children. Big Blue Marble Dec 2023 #10
Children Lithos Dec 2023 #13
For god's sake, give it up. Big Blue Marble Dec 2023 #14
Not disagreeing with you Lithos Dec 2023 #16
Telling the world you are proud of killing civilians Aussie105 Dec 2023 #11
As long as there is one member of Hamas, or any of their sympathizers, left alive The Mouth Dec 2023 #12
So you have no limit for civilian deaths? Big Blue Marble Dec 2023 #15
the law fly2man Dec 2023 #19
I think that statistic is grossly inflated. patphil Dec 2023 #23
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