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Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 12:05 AM Aug 2012

Sexual boundaries (Yes, Assange related) [View all]

The issues involving Assange certainly bring up some tough questions...questions that we need to ask ourselves.

The central sticking point in that case seems to be 2 issues.

1) The alleged penetration while she was asleep and
2) The penetration without a condom

These issues are at once both unrelated and related --quite hard to unravel.
It should first be understood that she admits she woke up after he had entered her and they had spoken during the act where it was made clear that he a) wasn't wearing a condom and b) did not have venereal disease. The woman than continued with the sex because, as she said, she felt that she had already complaiined about the condom issue too much the night before when they had had sex.
Here are a couple of questions that occur to me:
-If he had penetrated her with a condom, while she was asleep, would anyone still call it rape considering that she continued with the act?
-If he had woken her first and then put pressure on her to have sex without a condom, would it have been rape?

In other words, was it the "entering" while she was asleep or was it the condom? It cannot really be both, I think.
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Now, back to OUR experiences relating to this. I am sure many of us have woken wives or girlfriends with our ummm, advances while they were asleep. It is extremely difficult to enter a woman while she is asleep though unless certain, ummm, prior conditions are in place shall we say. But I think most of us have the experience of waking our partners with some degree of sexual moves whether it is touching with the hands or other parts.
Now, here are a couple more questions. It is claimed by some who support the claim of rape, that consent must be given every single time. Even if they had had sex the night before, it means nothing. But, by this logic, would it not also be sexual assault if you touched the breasts or buttocks of a person you are sleeping with without first getting special permission for that too?

Tough questions and I expect some will attack me for them. But I think tough questions need to be talked about. There are no simple answers here.

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