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Warren DeMontague

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2. I also think that it's a little disingenuous for people who have set themselves up as ideological

Sat Jul 21, 2012, 08:19 PM

Jul 2012

gatekeepers of a label like "Feminism" and ruthlessly denigrated and mocked those who would argue for a more inclusive label on things like heterosexual PIV sex (i.e. 'trauma bonding with the oppressor') or "The Patriarchy" or censorship or women who like to wear bikinis or whatever-it-is...

it's silly for them to turn around and complain that now "the word has been turned into something associated with intolerance and negativity".

Um, yeah! Which is exactly what the sex positive and 3rd wavers have been saying, as you make fun of them and belittle their opinions.

It's like the objections to "sex positive" followed by "...that implies that others are sex negative, and no one is sex negative!" ...followed by a 3 page position paper on why sex is a horrible, terrible, oppressive institution that should be avoided at all costs.

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On Marissa Mayer, words, labels, self-identification and group affiliation. [View all] Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 OP

I think the only defensible definition of feminist (or "masculist" for that matter) is this; lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #1

I also think that it's a little disingenuous for people who have set themselves up as ideological Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #2

Agree to a point. ElboRuum Jul 2012 #6

Equality of opportunity. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #7

Going to try to answer this... ElboRuum Jul 2012 #8

Thanks for the thought provoking response lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #9

Interesting response. ElboRuum Jul 2012 #14

A truly excellent essay! hifiguy Jul 2012 #3

I don't believe the third wave has done enough to distance themselves from the rad-fems Major Nikon Jul 2012 #4

I can see a couple of reasons here 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #5

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #10

They alternate between saying that feminism is a broad tent 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #11

I see that too lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #12

Feminism is what it is at a moment in time from what I've seen. ElboRuum Jul 2012 #13

Leaving it the way it is, ill-defined 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #15

Precisely. ElboRuum Jul 2012 #16

She does not see herself a victim of patriarchy. Cayenne Jul 2012 #17

Maybe she doesn't like Ed Meese, Judith Reisman and Donald "He Restoreth Me" Hilton. Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #18