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lumberjack_jeff

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9. The unspoken presumption here is that men are not motivated by self interest.

Reply to westerebus (Reply #8)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 03:39 PM

Apr 2014

I think that view is overstated, but to the extent that it is true, it is a problem. We should advocate for ourselves.

Men who fail do do anything about the interests of men for fear of being labeled crybabies are sentencing their sons to live on the same trendline that they have.

Re; Rmoney; I think that a lot of men were convinced of the idea that people with the werewithal to make themselves filthy rich somehow have the skills and inclination to make the ~~working~~ err "middle" class prosper.

I think that the "welfare queen"/"society of takers"/"socialism" argument gets traction because, with the exception of unemployment and workmens' compensation/disability insurance (both of which are under assault by budget cutters) men in general don't get much help. During the depression, a great deal of the policy action that "the party of the working man" took was explicitly to get men back on their feet. This, combined with the repeal of prohibition, brought men to the party in huge numbers.

Which suggest a #7 on my list "of five". Repeal the federal prohibition on pot.

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Top five ways to bring men back to the party [View all] lumberjack_jeff Apr 2014 OP

It's a weird thing Inkfreak Apr 2014 #1

Given the alternatives, I prefer dealing with the consequences of telling the truth. n/t lumberjack_jeff Apr 2014 #2

I enjoy your posts. Always read em. Inkfreak Apr 2014 #3

Thanks lumberjack_jeff Apr 2014 #7

i don't think your post was good at all CreekDog Apr 2014 #12

You don't have to screw over every other goup in the country to court the white male vote. nt rrneck Apr 2014 #16

Hear hear. nt rrneck Apr 2014 #5

Agreed. And one issue to lose: Gun control. Eleanors38 Apr 2014 #39

I can get behind some of these more than others. rrneck Apr 2014 #4

This is primarily a political manifesto, not a policy one. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2014 #6

Not sure of the institutional response, but you are right Eleanors38 Apr 2014 #40

I'm not so sure. westerebus Apr 2014 #8

The unspoken presumption here is that men are not motivated by self interest. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2014 #9

It is strange. westerebus Apr 2014 #10

black men haven't left the Democratic party at all, what are you talking about? CreekDog Apr 2014 #11

Actually the disparity is greater for those groups Major Nikon Apr 2014 #13

so what CreekDog Apr 2014 #14

You seem to think it's a zero sum game Major Nikon Apr 2014 #15

you're changing the subject, if you're not going to stick with the point you made CreekDog Apr 2014 #17

Turning a thread about male voters into a thread about minority voters isn't changing the subject? Major Nikon Apr 2014 #18

you'd rather just talk about white voters? CreekDog Apr 2014 #19

I'd rather talk about male voters Major Nikon Apr 2014 #23

Consciously conceding the votes of the majority of voters is bad strategy. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2014 #24

then why are you doing it? CreekDog Apr 2014 #26

I'm doing no such thing. Period. n/t lumberjack_jeff Apr 2014 #27

What do you think happens to the created White House offices Boom Sound 416 Apr 2014 #20

All the more reason that Republicans should not win. n/t lumberjack_jeff Apr 2014 #21

so you'd support creation of an office of women and girls? CreekDog Apr 2014 #22

I don't have to support it, it's already there. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2014 #28

so you don't support it, but you want one for men and boys created anyway CreekDog Apr 2014 #30

I wouldn't fully support either without the other. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2014 #32

Granted. Boom Sound 416 Apr 2014 #25

The next Republican president won't eliminate the office of women and girls. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2014 #29

That's fair Boom Sound 416 Apr 2014 #31

And I'd like to add that if a Republican does come along next year and screw it up... lumberjack_jeff Apr 2014 #33

There may never be another Republican president Major Nikon Apr 2014 #34

the majority of voters are women CreekDog Apr 2014 #35

Married women vote like their husbands. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2014 #36

you're saying that when your wife chooses a candidate you don't just go along with that? CreekDog Apr 2014 #37

51% of married women voted for Romney. 61% of single women voted for Obama. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2014 #38

Jobs, jobs, jobs, reforming immigration laws and jobs. bettyellen May 2014 #41

Number two is just so spot-on. No place is more discriminatory than the typical family court. n/t Darkhawk32 May 2014 #42

Thanks. n/t lumberjack_jeff May 2014 #43