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In reply to the discussion: RAINN rejects "rape culture" [View all]

cui bono

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27. Well rape culture as a whole doesn't mean every single person
Sat Mar 22, 2014, 11:00 PM
Mar 2014

or even every single social network. Just as racist culture doesn't mean every single person/social network.

But it does mean that it is systemic. There is a general attitude about rape that is different than all other crimes. So yes, let's focus on where the problems reside. Like the judicial system, the blaming of the victims, the attitude of young men who think raping a passed out female is not rape. Also teaching boys from when they are in high school and just beginning to date what it means to respect a woman and not think of her as an object to be conquered.

Look at the Republican Party. As a whole they think women are property to be told what they can and can not do with their bodies. How many men are influenced by that, and women too. That's horrible. So there you have half the country with that sort of mentality. That's a lot. So all their kids are being taught that mentality. (And all kinds of other weird attitudes towards sexuality but not any real sex education.) So it's an uphill battle, especially with the backlash against women's rights lately, to even just have women regarded as people, let alone with a voice of their own to say what can and can't be done to them and their bodies.

So when women are being treated as less than men, are having (mostly) men legislate what they can and can not do with their bodies, are actually legislating that a woman who has been raped has to be vaginally probed by a doctor, and forcing women to have ultrasounds and being forced to look at them even if they're pregnant because of rape, well that all adds up to women being looked at as less than a man and as an object that men are allowed to control and do with what they please.

Of course I'm not saying it is a spoken idea, but it is a subtext that exists in our society that permeates the consciousness so that then you get people questioning the victim of rape to the point where they don't even want to report it lest they be dragged over the coals about it again, after they already feel completely violated and humiliated.

What I don't understand is why men feel such a strong need to invalidate the idea of rape culture. What difference does it make to you? Why not believe women when they say this is how they feel? We are the ones who live with it every day of our lives. Would you argue with a minority and tell them racism just doesn't exist?


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RAINN rejects "rape culture" [View all] lumberjack_jeff Mar 2014 OP
Hmm kjones Mar 2014 #1
The arguments against "rape culture" as a useful paradigm; lumberjack_jeff Mar 2014 #2
"the purpose of "rape culture" rhetoric is to assign collective guilt" rrneck Mar 2014 #4
I also disagree with kjones's association between drinking and rape Doctor_J Mar 2014 #5
Generally speaking, predators do need a relatively clear head to operate. So you're probably right. nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #6
I didn't say the rapists were the ones drinking kjones Mar 2014 #16
Absolutely, just saying "rape culture" means nothing, and solve nothing. kjones Mar 2014 #17
#4 stands out prominently. Eleanors38 Mar 2014 #32
Wait are you telling me outliers aren't a good way to measure society, back to stats 101 for me Exultant Democracy Mar 2014 #3
It is true that only a small percentage of men commit rape. nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #7
50,000 people at Dartmouth demand reforms to campus sexual assault policies Bonobo Mar 2014 #8
50,000 people? That's fantastic, honestly. We need a lot more of the same. nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #9
there aren't anywhere near 50,000 people total at Dartmouth. Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #10
My error. nt Bonobo Mar 2014 #11
Steubenville is indeed an example of a rape "micro-culture". Bonobo Mar 2014 #12
that is pathetic. Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #14
And that's just an empty statement Bonobo Mar 2014 #15
That's where I certainly disagree. kjones Mar 2014 #18
America has a nascar culture. Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #19
Now that's a ridiculous statement. kjones Mar 2014 #20
"Whatever groups you weren't a part of didn't stop existing just because you weren't a part nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #35
America has a rape culture. IMO: Anyone who does nothing to stop a rape in progress supports the act In_The_Wind Mar 2014 #25
In most situations of "discouragement," we are speaking to the choir. Eleanors38 Mar 2014 #33
No, they don't have a sign around their neck. That's kind of the point. nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #34
I understand. But I run through a list of my friendd Eleanors38 Mar 2014 #37
Can't find the part where they "reject" rape culture. cui bono Mar 2014 #13
... opiate69 Mar 2014 #21
"While it is helpful to point out the systemic barriers to addressing the problem" cui bono Mar 2014 #22
It certainly does exist in pockets Bonobo Mar 2014 #23
Well rape culture as a whole doesn't mean every single person cui bono Mar 2014 #27
"Racism exists" vs "America is a racist culture" Bonobo Mar 2014 #28
For me when you say "racism exists" it means there are some racists in the country, cui bono Mar 2014 #29
I'm big enough to admit Bonobo Mar 2014 #30
Heh. cui bono Mar 2014 #31
Thank you for your posts. You broke it down better than I probably could. nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #36
Definining anything as culture is highly subjective Major Nikon Mar 2014 #38
Going by their definition.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Apr 2014 #39
I've seen it, but I don't put a lot of stock in it Major Nikon Apr 2014 #40
Agreed. It's also rhetoric without any tangible policy demands. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2014 #41
It's never been anything other than rhetoric Major Nikon Apr 2014 #42
Rhetoric that doesn't effect change is by definition unproductive. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2014 #43
This message was self-deleted by its author lumberjack_jeff Mar 2014 #24
Did you catch the part where blaming "rape culture" was described as an "unfortunate trend"? nt lumberjack_jeff Mar 2014 #26
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