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bettyellen

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2. Creepy is about ignoring other people's boundaries, and imposing yourself on a disinteretsed party
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 05:07 PM
Mar 2014

by not picking up on social cues like, not staring at the boobs, unsolicited groping, making off color jokes and then being pissed off or ignoring it and continuing if someone cringes, following people around trying to engage them further after they have discouraged it, and left your company. It's creepy when you continue to show interest in someone, by staring and following those who are not interested in you- because it makes them feel unsafe. And it happens often. Women are socialized to be polite, and rarely empowered enough to ask people to just go away because they don;t want to offend anyone or cause things to escalate. The creep usually doesn't realize they have no "right" to their company, or to be liked by this person. Many respond pretty angrily if you politely blow them off to continue the conversation they interrupted. Some people take "No, thank you" pretty hard, and respond with insults.

I have no idea how that is similar to whatever concept of "sluts" you might have. Women can be creepy too, it's just on average, we can't overcome a man or force our company, or ourselves on men quite as easily. So, I think men usually just laugh it off, because they don't perceive any danger.

Do you think guys get the wrong idea from movies, where they "win" a gal over by trying extra hard? Making an effort is good, but imposing yourself where you aren;t welcomed is definitely not. Most women understand the difference. Hope that helps.

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Men need... (add your own). [View all] Bonobo Mar 2014 OP
Men need to separate themselves from the idea that they are little "society units" sibelian Mar 2014 #1
Creepy is about ignoring other people's boundaries, and imposing yourself on a disinteretsed party bettyellen Mar 2014 #2
That behavior is anti-social and if you want to call it "creepy", I have no problem with that. Bonobo Mar 2014 #6
I just wanted to clear up what is the most common usage of creepy.... Creeper encompasses that but bettyellen Mar 2014 #10
Thank you for taking your time to explain, Betty. Bonobo Mar 2014 #12
You are welcome. I think when you are young, you can be a lot more insensitive. I have never found bettyellen Mar 2014 #17
Still, if you're worried about contemporary attitudes being unduly influenced by John Hughes movies Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #19
well, John Hughes just stood out because I can imagine teenagers being dumb enough to pick up "tips" bettyellen Mar 2014 #20
I had a witty retort all ready, and then I realized that, yes, actually Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #22
as long as you leave the boombox at home. bettyellen Mar 2014 #23
Different movie. Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #24
he's the guy with the boombox in every film, even Tin Whatchamacallits. bettyellen Mar 2014 #25
That's the right attitude, but not everyone shares it Major Nikon Mar 2014 #26
Yeah, both women and men can be shit heads. Women get ridiculed for being unattractive or heavy all bettyellen Mar 2014 #28
Men should be able to express themselves without being called "weak*." Behind the Aegis Mar 2014 #3
Clingy, I find, is applied to women ProudToBeBlueInRhody Mar 2014 #4
Yes, that's what I am talking about. Bonobo Mar 2014 #7
I've only really seen that with really young women who don't know better how to handle themselves bettyellen Mar 2014 #11
'creepy' is nothing like 'slutty' geek tragedy Mar 2014 #5
Just because you haven't experienced them... Bonobo Mar 2014 #8
i was providing my own personal reaction, I have not witnessed them geek tragedy Mar 2014 #9
Yes, but the dismissive "meh" sort of proved my point. Bonobo Mar 2014 #13
no, I am saying my feeling as a man was 'meh' geek tragedy Mar 2014 #14
OK, I have no problem agreeing with all that, but Bonobo Mar 2014 #15
feminists would also agree that both men and women support it geek tragedy Mar 2014 #16
It's the best term we have, and we need you to accept it. We know that it is both a blessing and a bettyellen Mar 2014 #18
Co-dependent culture. westerebus Mar 2014 #27
It never was all that much of a blessing and is even less so now Major Nikon Mar 2014 #30
... to speak for themselves. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2014 #21
Or at the very least stop being criticized for doing so Major Nikon Mar 2014 #31
^^^ This. Eleanors38 Mar 2014 #33
They don't already? YoungDemCA Mar 2014 #38
Men need understanding. In_The_Wind Mar 2014 #29
My problem: "Men need to be given..." When any group Eleanors38 Mar 2014 #32
You're right. I could have worded it better. nt Bonobo Mar 2014 #34
It's a good question, and I guess my immediate reaction after looking at the list that comes to mind Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #35
Warren DeMontague In_The_Wind Mar 2014 #36
How about this. ElboRuum Mar 2014 #37
Men need to stop feeling sorry for themselves when their unearned social advantage is criticized YoungDemCA Mar 2014 #39
You can also swap the gender roles for all of your statements Major Nikon Mar 2014 #40
False equivalency YoungDemCA Mar 2014 #41
Only if you believe men are to blame for all of women's problems Major Nikon Mar 2014 #42
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