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westerebus

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15. If you intend to frame this as either they are racist or they are dumb.

Tue Jan 14, 2014, 01:05 AM

Jan 2014

Then you are missing what they are trying to explain.

It's not about them.

They are here to help. To share what they experience.

What economic oppression looks like to them.

If you tell a person their experience does not count what do you expect?

Flowers?

So quit making it about them.

The common denominator among oppressed people is poverty.

It is not race.

The argument you are making boils down to this: if you are not a minority, you do not know what it means to be oppressed in this country.

The response is: We know that our experience is not the same as yours. Our experience is this.

Using race to divide people is a tool to control those opposed to injustice.

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Because the implication within the statement isn't their experience. westerebus Jan 2014 #10

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Who is denying it? westerebus Jan 2014 #13

Maybe not in those exact words, but people reacting so defensively to discussions about racism nomorenomore08 Jan 2014 #14

If you intend to frame this as either they are racist or they are dumb. westerebus Jan 2014 #15

Social class is a vitally important distinction as well. Some downplay it far too much nomorenomore08 Jan 2014 #19

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