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nomorenomore08

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Mon Dec 16, 2013, 09:30 AM

Dec 2013

There's no magic line where something consensual suddenly becomes non-consensual - other than a "no" (which doesn't have to be verbal) - but I don't see how any non-sociopath could readily condone taking advantage of an unconscious (or nearly unconscious) person. I certainly hope no one in this Group thinks anything remotely along those lines

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Are drunk people allowed to have sex? [View all] Bonobo Dec 2013 OP

Is it rape if the guy is drunk? Major Nikon Dec 2013 #1

Do you think there is a problem with rape in our society? Warren Stupidity Dec 2013 #2

Yes, I do. nt Bonobo Dec 2013 #5

Do you think being drunk meets the legal standard of inability to consent? Major Nikon Dec 2013 #10

In some circumstances it is highly problematic. Warren Stupidity Dec 2013 #11

What about in other circumstances Major Nikon Dec 2013 #12

Do you agree that there is a state of intoxication where consent is not possible? Warren Stupidity Dec 2013 #14

I asked you first Major Nikon Dec 2013 #16

How about when both people are equally drunk and both say yes? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2013 #26

I thought I said yes to it. RiffRandell Dec 2013 #29

+1 nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #38

I'll answer. RiffRandell Dec 2013 #23

I'd say no Major Nikon Dec 2013 #25

That's clearly and unambiguously correct. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #33

+1 nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #37

Probably be a good idea to get consent prior to intoxication. malthaussen Dec 2013 #3

The linked post says that's still rape Doctor_J Dec 2013 #6

I'd object to that at least from a legal standpoint Major Nikon Dec 2013 #13

The first sentence in that post is quite definitive Doctor_J Dec 2013 #4

Being drunk does not meet the legal standard in any state Major Nikon Dec 2013 #7

Forgetting even the legal definition... Bonobo Dec 2013 #8

Certainly if it reaches the point of mental or physical incapacity Major Nikon Dec 2013 #9

So just short of passed out, anything goes? Warren Stupidity Dec 2013 #15

That wasn't what was asked Major Nikon Dec 2013 #17

huh? I'm asking where the limit is. Warren Stupidity Dec 2013 #18

Then your answer is "no" Major Nikon Dec 2013 #19

I have no idea what "no" means to an "or" question. Warren Stupidity Dec 2013 #21

I was answering post #15 Major Nikon Dec 2013 #31

Exactly. RiffRandell Dec 2013 #24

It's well known that even a little alcohol... TreasonousBastard Dec 2013 #20

Throw other drugs into the mix and the issue becomes even more complicated Major Nikon Dec 2013 #22

There can't be a clear-cut definition in these circumstances LadyHawkAZ Dec 2013 #28

Here's a list of the state laws Major Nikon Dec 2013 #30

State-level laws are made to Calvinball rules, yes LadyHawkAZ Dec 2013 #32

College campuses are where the worst of it is for women Major Nikon Dec 2013 #34

If they can get away with it once, LadyHawkAZ Dec 2013 #35

Good post. There is some ambiguity there, but arguably there shouldn't be - when in doubt, don't. nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #39

Don't expect to get any straight answers, that's for sure ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2013 #27

well, that post is referring to someone so drunk they don't know what they did or didn't consent to fishwax Dec 2013 #36

I'm not so sure Major Nikon Dec 2013 #41

I was only referring to the post in question and general principle, not fishwax Dec 2013 #42

I guess it depends, in part, on what you mean by "drunk," but generally I would say yes. nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #40

Of course. nt Demo_Chris Dec 2013 #43

In my drinking days ... I did get drunk and have sex. In_The_Wind Dec 2013 #44

People get nervous and do that to loosen up a bit sometimes. Bonobo Dec 2013 #45