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beachmom

(15,239 posts)
16. Maybe I'm not being eloquent here but this sure is:
Thu Feb 9, 2012, 09:14 PM
Feb 2012
http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/02/in-birth-control-debate-religious-beliefs-dont-trump-rights/252801/

But conscience or refusal clauses are also reminiscent of policies allowing white-only hospitals to refuse treatment to black patients, or accommodations to black travelers, in the segregated South. What if belief in segregation were an article of faith, a matter of conscience, for some? (Some clergymen once defended slavery.) I'm not comparing opposition to birth control with racism, much less slavery. I'm simply pointing out that religious beliefs can, and often do, conflict with civil society and individual rights.

Would we tolerate a religious right to refuse treatment or accommodation on the basis of race as readily as we tolerate a religious right to refuse reproductive health care? Of course not. Your right to act on your religious beliefs is not absolute; it's weighed against the rights that your actions would deny to others. Today, and perhaps for the foreseeable future, claims of religious freedom tend to outweigh claims of reproductive freedom. But that is a consequence of history, politics, and culture and is subject to change. The balance of power is not divinely ordained.


This is why I'm not so quick to say, "oh, respect for religion, I'll shut up now." Sometimes their positions are immoral. I live in the South, and I can tell you a lot of immoral preaching takes place in some churches not far from me. Real right wing nutty stuff. Just because someone says it's their religious belief does not mean they can skirt the law automatically. On abortion, I'll show some latitude since it is a deep philosophical argument, but not on birth control. They need to convince me why they shouldn't pay for that preventative care. The Church and religious people say they don't feel respected. Well, as a woman I am feeling deeply disrespected by a lot of religious MEN at this point.

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All employees to be covered Angry Dragon Feb 2012 #1
Quote ProSense Feb 2012 #2
Yup. I edited my post to include more arguments. beachmom Feb 2012 #3
Related: ProSense Feb 2012 #5
Oh, and THEY will never be happy beachmom Feb 2012 #4
Exactly. n/t wisteria Feb 2012 #19
Hey John, marsis Feb 2012 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author politicasista Feb 2012 #9
Why go to anti - Catholic rhetoric on a completely unrelated issue karynnj Feb 2012 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author politicasista Feb 2012 #13
They ARE fighting the provision for everyone. beachmom Feb 2012 #15
I think they are going far too far here karynnj Feb 2012 #17
How Many Of The Dems That Came Out Against This Are Running For Re-election...... global1 Feb 2012 #7
John Kerry is not up for re-election beachmom Feb 2012 #8
What would you want him to say - given that the Obama administartion is working on a karynnj Feb 2012 #12
But he will be, in two years.. ObamaKerryDem Feb 2012 #23
Kerry absolutely did NOT come out against this karynnj Feb 2012 #18
Kerry is BACKING the current adminstration position here karynnj Feb 2012 #10
Well, let's wait and see what they say. beachmom Feb 2012 #14
There are things I disagree with Kerry on, but on thsi, it really seems that you are karynnj Feb 2012 #20
There are also medical reasons to take birth control pills. beachmom Feb 2012 #25
Also, if a pharmacist has a religious conscience objection beachmom Feb 2012 #27
Could not agree with you more,beachmom! ObamaKerryDem Feb 2012 #28
Maybe I'm not being eloquent here but this sure is: beachmom Feb 2012 #16
I think he is wrong on this. And sad he would take this. Mass Feb 2012 #21
Just heard this on the Ed Show on MSNBC tonight.. ObamaKerryDem Feb 2012 #22
Here is a post by Kevin Drum that explains what this is about. Mass Feb 2012 #24
Well said, Mass. beachmom Feb 2012 #26
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