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wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
22. Sure, but we make it hard for third parties in ways that stifle democracy.
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 10:44 PM
Jun 2016

It is a two-party system, not a parliamentary system, so by default, the two parties function more as coalitions than actual parties. Calling ourselves "The Big Tent Party" and then getting all grabby and territorial about the levers of power when other coalition members have complaints is not going to work for long. IMO.

And Donald Trump suggests to me why we should strive to make the system work better for people who feel left out of the process. Republican voters just nuked their party. Democrats made a feeble attempt to do the same. The control of Congress has been whipping back and forth with voters getting more dissatisfied and unhappy with each change. Why? I think it is because the two party system is not working well and both political parties are ossified. It is the big money, gerrymandering, racial unease, economic change. Citizens are unhappy right now, and they do want change. It is not Clinton's fault, or DWS or any of the other silly paper tigers the Sanders camp puts up. But the dissatisfaction is real and longstanding. If the Democratic Party digs in and refuses to recognize this, they will go the same way the GOP is going now. It is change or die, IMO.

You are technically correct in all that you said. It IS the party's right to run their party and primaries any way they see fit. But I believe that if we shut it down, ignore the trend of independent voter and try to discourage competitive candidates, the party will fail and be replaced, the same way that the GOP is being replaced. It happens all the time. We haven't always been Democrats and Republicans in this country.

But I also want to emphasize that there is a great opportunity for Democrats right now if they play their cards right. The political landscape is shifting which means many doors are getting ready to open for those who are prepared to lead. We have a winning strategy with the Obama coalition and a steady leader in Hillary Clinton. I think we should trust our party's talent, vision, and core values. We don't need to worry too much about open vs. closed primaries. If our vision and candidates are better we will win in either system. Clinton DID win in open primaries too. Remeber that.

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Join it and participate in it, and to hell with a caucus. Those are anti-democratic. tonyt53 Jun 2016 #1
We cannot allow people to come and try to weaken our party ! Her Sister Jun 2016 #2
Good common sense post from Kos. Koinos Jun 2016 #3
The malcontents are the people who can't do the hard work to make an alternate party. BobbyDrake Jun 2016 #4
No sale, Bernie. teamster633 Jun 2016 #5
I'm with Kos on this, and where the hell do I sign up? I think the party's rank-n-file should get.. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2016 #6
1000000+ I absolutely agree with you. skylucy Jun 2016 #25
I've been following Presidential elections since the early 1970s, and I don't recall.... George II Jun 2016 #7
That's the truth! SharonClark Jun 2016 #9
My favorite part: NastyRiffraff Jun 2016 #8
I think that either we open the primaries or fix the gerrymandering. wildeyed Jun 2016 #10
Isn't that for states to decide? The Democratic party has no business... Walk away Jun 2016 #12
Not sure what you mean. wildeyed Jun 2016 #13
That is what I mean. Walk away Jun 2016 #19
Sure, but we make it hard for third parties in ways that stifle democracy. wildeyed Jun 2016 #22
Gerrymandering is performed by the party in charge, it should be done away with but in Texas Thinkingabout Jun 2016 #14
Democrats gerrymander too. wildeyed Jun 2016 #17
Yes Democrats is also guilty of gerrymandering. Let it go by county lines, they are already drawn Thinkingabout Jun 2016 #18
If a third party is going to be viable they need to be better organized. LiberalFighter Jun 2016 #26
Chicken or the egg problem.... wildeyed Jun 2016 #28
Using the leverage of his adoring followers to fire DWS who was leaving after the convention.... Walk away Jun 2016 #11
And, that's his MO.. "petty and mean spirited".. he lost so he has to blame it on anyone Cha Jun 2016 #15
Love KOS.. he speaks for me.. Cha Jun 2016 #16
He speaks for me too! And he has been tearing it up for the last 2-3 months Number23 Jun 2016 #20
I know.. I'm been loving what KOS has had to say about the bernster. Cha Jun 2016 #21
Couldn't agree more. nt eastwestdem Jun 2016 #23
K&R nt ProudProgressiveNow Jun 2016 #24
These things are in place to keep from having a Trump on the Democratic ticket liberal N proud Jun 2016 #27
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