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In reply to the discussion: Pardon my disinclination. [View all]

LeftInTX

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13. Yes, but there was Nixon, Reagan and Bush
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 04:10 AM
Jun 2013

They were all horrific. Nixon and Reagan oversaw Dem congresses. You know all about Nixon, I assume. A few years later Reagan comes along, he participates in an illegal war. Congress finally had to shut him down.

Then, came Bush and the Patriot Act.
Did LBJ set the stage for the Nixon atrocities?
Did Jimmy Carter set the stage for Reagan's illegal war and Iran Contra? Did Bill Clinton set the stage for the Patriotic Act?

The point I'm making is presidents change and they change things. Bush by the way was intercepting the same amount of phone information and internet information. It may seem like Obama might be doing more, but I think it is the way the law is being applied. I'm currently watching a show about NSA: Their foreign fiber optic internet cables are currently combined with domestic cables. It doesn't have to be this way.
It is this way because of inefficient design. NSA could have put intercept facilities where the cables enter the country, but they didn't, thus leaving Americans at risk for internet surveillance.

This happened under Bush. But I can't even give Bush credit for this technical mess. He didn't design the cables.

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Pardon my disinclination. [View all] madamesilverspurs Jun 2013 OP
k&r graham4anything Jun 2013 #1
Well said. Aristus Jun 2013 #2
Obama isn't king. He will leave, but his spying apparatus will be here. dkf Jun 2013 #3
The national security apparatus question existed before and will exit after this President grantcart Jun 2013 #5
Ask Sen. Susan Collins how much oversight they've been providing. dkf Jun 2013 #8
Sen. Collins is a habitual liar on national security matters grantcart Jun 2013 #9
And besides ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #18
Yes, but there was Nixon, Reagan and Bush LeftInTX Jun 2013 #13
The technology has only now caught up to the data. The types of surveillance achievable here dkf Jun 2013 #14
It's not his apparatus: it's the apparatus that he inherited. If you have ideas struggle4progress Jun 2013 #15
Jesus. Where were you between 2001 and 2008? This is BUSH/CHENEY's legacy. Hekate Jun 2013 #17
You should go underground and get off the internet if you are so concerned Kolesar Jun 2013 #19
Your points are well taken. grantcart Jun 2013 #4
Thanks, grantcart. madamesilverspurs Jun 2013 #6
Perhaps using "setting one's hair on fire" as pejorative may not be helpful in bridging chasms grantcart Jun 2013 #7
LOL. ucrdem Jun 2013 #10
Well said, madame.. Cha Jun 2013 #11
It seems to me that a lot of those whiners would have been happier than hell if Romney would've won Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #12
Oh yeah, they'd find some Cha Jun 2013 #16
I couldn't agree more Andy823 Jun 2013 #20
It's a lot more fun to set fire to GOP hair(balls). IrishAyes Jun 2013 #21
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