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jfz9580m

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16. I am Indian though not Indian Americsn
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 03:04 AM
Yesterday

And currently residing in an unspecified location in the global south..

All I can say about this is:



https://thetyee.ca/Culture/2025/07/25/Triumph-of-Stupidity/

What resonates for me is Cipolla’s observation that in societies doing poorly, “The stupid members of the society are allowed by the other members to become more active and take more actions.” This affords the stupid contingent much more sway.

History shows that countries or civilizations moving uphill have “an unusually high fraction of non-stupid people that keep the fraction of stupid people at bay.” That development ensures some solid gains for most or all.

But as the good times disappear one notices among those in power “an alarming proliferation of the bandits with overtones of stupidity and a lot more helpless people.” According to Cipolla, that’s never a good combination.

It all ends, of course, in a bad place that bears some uncomfortable resemblance to our current predicament. “Such change in the composition of the non-stupid population inevitably strengthens the destructive power of the stupid fraction and makes decline a certainty. And the country goes to Hell.”


What is sad about this is that Vivek Ramaswamy probably thinks he is intelligent, while also almost certainly smearing people who rely on food or disability assistance as stupid.

Whereas actually, he is a hybrid -a stupid bandit who colludes with other bandits like Musk, Trump etc, as they embrace more overt neo-nazis like Fuentes. He will have no home anywhere even superficially civilized after and Fuentes has no use for him.

An equally self serving and crass, but slightly less stupid person would at least pile their bandit nature on to the dems and try to dilute the dem message into pro-industrial shilling while spewing vaguely “woke” capitalist platitudes..still a bandit and still stupid on a long enough timeline (to quote Fight Club), but less stupid than aligning with Fuentes’ fans to loot the place.

Andrew Nikiforuk is awesome. According to a really cool journalist I recently discovered, Chris Ketcham, he is Canada’s nicer and more radical Bill McKibben. Bill McKibben is a Yimby nowadays and he attacked the movie “Planet of the Humans” which Michael Moore co-produced. Therefore, imo at least, he is definitely in the outdated ‘delay rather than end ecological crises’ camp. He is the type of jerk who gate-keeps any discussion of human overpopulation ensuring that the only people who openly discuss it are spiteful neo-nazis, eugenicists and outright batshit crazies like the New Zealand Mosque Shooter. Problem with bullying real Greens who are not deluded Cornucopians is that only the actual fascists then discuss glaring problems like overpopulation and overgrowth.

Prof William Rees, Nandita Bajaj, Ketcham & Rex Wyler discuss the problems with narrowly focusing only on one symptom of our ecological crisis, not that it’s not a big one:

https://www.truthdig.com/events/too-much-too-little-too-late/

How much industry should be trusted I think all but true believers know by now. I used to be a green (more understated Green) left-liberal, but lately I have been shifting more explicitly Green left of the Ketcham type.

Except that I still blame human stupidity combined with science and technology rather than science or even technology. Science is not the issue. Human stupidity is and with these many people even if you have food (fuck you Julian Simon), education and healthcare and jobs don’t scale the same way and so bullshit jobs, the mental illnesses they bring and a diminishing grasp of the perils plaguing the human condition keep us chained to drivel psychologically.

And the left has plenty of the Jacobin Yimby types I distrust - Ben Wray, Casey Phillips, Freddie DeBoer, Leighton Woodhouse. Far too many sexist, left Pronatalists for the mindless machinic destruction of earth and tossing away of women’s rights as well.

A gleaming communist machine glorifying overpopulation while cheerfully degrading women’s rights and supportive of turning the planet into a more equitably exploited, paved-over parking-lot is just as crass and probably as unsustainable.

But I digress..oh yeah..these guys are daft..

I am sick of morons. I posted this earlier this year and having recently rewatched Idiocracy a couple of times I totally agree with its thesis:

https://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/ent/scifi/idiocracy-censored.html

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