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Hekate

(99,306 posts)
40. Reagan was gov. of California when he closed the asylums/hospitals, without the promised support system
Mon Sep 1, 2025, 11:18 PM
Monday

Just so you know: TL-DR

We went from having almost no visible homeless to having an ever increasing number. It was a stark contrast. Did I mention he promised a support structure that never really came about? Supervised group homes. Professionals to monitor meds and ensure they were taken.

That said, in the 1990s when I served on the County Affirmative Action Commission, we went through a series of interviews with department heads, including the Sheriff. By that time I’d already read about the revolving door of mentally ill in the County jails in Los Angeles, our gigantic neighbor to the south, and had some questions.

First and foremost, since TrumpCo. is fixated on crime and severe punishment, I learned that the very great majority of offenses by the mentally ill were petty crime. Shoplifting food items was common. Yes, 7-11 franchisees need to be protected. But the behavior was so chronic and the jails so ill-equipped to deal with it, that a reasonable person might wonder if there were some other means of dealing with the problem. Law enforcement officers and prison guards have specific training, but it doesn’t include higher-level Psychology classes.

Second, so many were homeless and without the means to gain shelter and keep it. If vagrancy is still a crime (have not checked lately) and they keep ending up in jail — well again, jails are not designed to be homeless shelters.

Third — a lot of the homeless turned out to be dual-diagnosis. They might have a drug or alcohol addiction as well. Jails are not built to deal with that either.

Fourth — why would they turn to drugs or alcohol if they were receiving medication? Sometimes the meds are not available. Sometimes the meds have side-effects that make a person feel crappier. Some people (IF they are bi-polar) miss the “high” of their bipolar cycles (as a chronically depressed person myself, I think I can imagine why someone might want that back) . And finally, maybe the side-effects of alcohol or an addictive drug are not enough to deter a person from finding their own way of dealing with their demons. It’s a free country! No one can make them take meds if they don’t want to! They have the perfect freedom as an American to live and die under the freeway — because Freedom.

In my own self defense, please do not ever imagine that I think all homeless are mentally ill. Plenty of people are in danger of falling through holes in what we laughably call the social safety net. There are just so many vulnerable Americans.

Finally, and from the heart: fuck Ronald Reagan forever.

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He can be the first customer. Ocelot II Monday #1
Agree. Plus he could fill it up with bluestarone Monday #30
Egg Zack Lee Botany Tuesday #63
Be careful what you ask for, you crazy MF'er. walkingman Monday #2
Does anyone seriously use the term insane asylums? CurtEastPoint Monday #3
No one in the medical/psych profession uses this term. Irish_Dem Monday #9
Trump does. He thinks immigrants seeking asylum are released asylum patients. travelingthrulife Monday #11
Wait until he starts in on the "sexual inverts" Prairie Gates Monday #37
I think Reagan closed a lot of these facilities which did lead to... Lucky Luciano Monday #4
Some of those facilities were truly awful, but just cutting people loose Ocelot II Monday #7
You got all that from the OP? MorbidButterflyTat Tuesday #44
It's exactly what Reagan did, and I can't imagine Trump being more humane than Reagan. Ocelot II Tuesday #49
Take it from us Californians who watched it all unfold when Reagan was our governor Hekate Tuesday #53
I've noticed Trump following up on a lot of his delusions MadameButterfly Tuesday #61
Reagan was gov. of California when he closed the asylums/hospitals, without the promised support system Hekate Monday #40
Thanks for your input! Lucky Luciano Tuesday #48
You are welcome. Thanks for reading it. Hekate Tuesday #52
Wow. MorbidButterflyTat Tuesday #46
Lemme guess: staffed by the most cruel of ICE's goons? sakabatou Monday #5
Or the national guard. Maybe sent to the gulags. Irish_Dem Monday #10
The Soviet Union would send dissidents to mental hospitals DBoon Monday #19
Yes the western mental health community was appalled. Irish_Dem Monday #20
He may try to put them in Alligator Alcatraz. greatauntoftriplets Monday #32
Hitler killed the mentally ill. The handicapped, impaired, etc. Irish_Dem Tuesday #55
A certain governor? No, Reagan cut their budgest for tax cuts. bucolic_frolic Monday #6
Pataki (R) would down one of them BumRushDaShow Monday #16
Well, Reagan (as Governor) was largely responsible for the deinstitutionalization movement in California Wiz Imp Monday #23
I mean. If Trump really wanted to go to heaven, reversing all the horrible shit done by Reagan (and himself) SSJVegeta Monday #27
Isn't returning to the Dark Ages fun. ananda Monday #8
Americans will be getting horrible diseases now. Irish_Dem Monday #12
Only if he checks himself in! MrWowWow Monday #13
How many more can Mar a Lago hold? tanyev Monday #14
One flew over the GOP nest multigraincracker Monday #15
"They released (the mentally ill) into society..." LudwigPastorius Monday #17
Just like in Russia Bmoboy Monday #18
There has been some good various levels of mental heath housing in NYC from people I've occasionally met over some... electric_blue68 Monday #21
Naturally, Trump will decide who's insane and should be institutionalized. sop Monday #22
There you go Bayard Tuesday #51
From the University of Chicago Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Neuroscience Wiz Imp Monday #24
Deflection YET AGAIN? Brainfodder Monday #25
He's barely comprehensible. Joinfortmill Monday #26
......and fully reprehensible Prof. Toru Tanaka Monday #33
ROFL. True. Joinfortmill Tuesday #62
Yes MorbidButterflyTat Tuesday #47
Trump is like Reagan, constantly revisiting a halycon past that doesn't exist anymore bucolic_frolic Monday #28
White House is the insane asylum twodogsbarking Monday #29
"Trump will decide who's insane and should be institutionalized." J_William_Ryan Monday #31
I thought he was irrevocably opposed to anyone having asylum. soldierant Monday #34
They tore most of the ones in the Chicago area years ago. greatauntoftriplets Monday #35
We really have the demented grampa "Back in my day!" bozo at the helm, huh? Prairie Gates Monday #36
Close Hospitals for Mental Patients (Insane Asylums) topcelts Monday #38
If so he should be committed. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Monday #39
Apparently he hasn't noticed most of the decayed structures Historic NY Monday #41
Why does he think we have an unlimited supply of funds for all these pet projects? William Gustafson Tuesday #42
It wasn't his idea MorbidButterflyTat Tuesday #43
I thought Trump died? LeftInTX Tuesday #45
I agree with TACO. Re-open them all, build hundreds more " insane asylums " for every Republican politician Bread and Circuses Tuesday #50
He should be the first one committed. nt moniss Tuesday #54
Creedmor and Bellevue are still operational Danmel Tuesday #56
From what I had gone down the rabbit hole to find BumRushDaShow Tuesday #57
I pass Creedmor all the time. It's off the Long Island Expressway in Queens. Danmel Tuesday #59
My mom used to be a social worker here in PA (worked for the state and then the city back in the '50s) BumRushDaShow Tuesday #60
Wow...I didn't realize Florida had been closed. n/t Cloudhopper Tuesday #58
Trump Crazy House eringer Tuesday #64
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